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    07:51, December 23, 2015

    This thread is for the discussion of the light novel of the same name. All changes related to the wiki to this book should first be brought forward, debated, and decided upon here. Feel free to also use this to discuss theories, give praises, or vent frustrations about the light novel or its contents.

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    • can i post my Kai article?

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    • I'm gonna be honest I am surprised to see the theory of the Miroku family all having black hair was wrong

      I wonder how mothy is gonna get through this whole thing considering the MEIKO line ended with Germaine, the Rin line with Riliane, and the Miku line with Eve and or Margaret. I'm really excited to see whatever plot device he will pull to explain it all.

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    • PrincessAcedia wrote:

      I wonder how mothy is gonna get through this whole thing considering the MEIKO line ended with Germaine, the Rin line with Riliane, and the Miku line with Eve and or Margaret. I'm really excited to see whatever plot device he will pull to explain it all.

      Well, if Rin really is a Riliane reincarnation, that plot point will solve itself. Otherwise, there's always looping in their lineage with Evillious counterparts (ex: the Blankenheims to the Marlons) or using more magic to change appearances. Kayo's bloodline links directly back to Lukana and we have no idea where the other vessels of sin are in this era.

      On a side note, how do users feel about using the back of the heads for character profiles in articles? It seems most characters who've gone through this treatment and become applicable for getting pages otherwise get faces quickly after. Should we wait before adding an article for Kai or will the backs of heads be enough to count as "faces" for infobox images?

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    • I say yes. I'd prefer it if Kai's head didn't have such blurry quality, but Ein's first image was also blurry quality and he got a better one not too long after.

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    • I also agree, it's better than not having an avatar at all.

      Oh, and where was the cover posted? I can't find it anywhere.

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    • It was taken from a live stream, it's in the wiki's file page

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    • I can't say I'm too fond of the idea; but it's certainly better than whatever his shadow-face-thingy was from the Tailor song. So I'm down for blurry-back-of-the-head-Kai for now.

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    • Well we have pages with no avatar at all, so I can't see a problem with it having only their back. Still has more detail than having nothing at all. 


      (However, what about Kaidor Blankenheim, in that case? I know this is not about ToE but still.)

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    • I'm against the idea of having just the backs of characters' heads for profiles. As for the Mirokus, I'd like to point out that mothy's lineage chart depicts the line from Banica splitting into two, with one branch ending with Germaine. That other line could be where Mayrana comes from, along with Mei. As for Miku, she can either be the Doll (though I doubt it since Eve's in Ma) or someone from the Zvezda line, since the Zvezdas seemed to be a prominent magic clan and therefore were probably powerful/large enough to have members that survived the Catastrophe.

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    • The only issue I have with Miku coming from the Zvezda line is that there have been no other notable Hatsune Miku characters in the series who descended from said family line. The only other Miku we have that isn't Eve is Margaret who as I recall never had kids and her likeness to Eve has never been explained outside of just being a coincidence as I recall but because this is Evillious there most likely no such thing as just a coincidence.

      Anyway, I too doubt that Eve is Miku and I'm actually kind of thinking that since Maria Moonlit is represented by Hatsune Miku that he is gonna use Miku to finally tie that in and stuff and yes I know that Maria still doesn't have a canonical appearance so it's possible she isn't actually an Elphe or physically represented by Hatsune Miku but this is still what I'm thinking will happen. 

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    • Kyle notes that Margaret "descended from Elphes". She's not an Elphe herself, rather she has Elphe blood. The equivalent of that would be a British kid looking at his teacher and saying, "Oh, she looks a bit German". He's not making a big deal that she looks like Eve, so Eve's appearance can't be a big deal, at least during the Story of Evil era. We don't know if the general populace even knew what Eve looked like, or remembered her actions. Also, just like the Zorachs, the Zvezdas could have gone into hiding over the centuries (probably because of embarassment for Eve). We don't know.  

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    • Actually, Kyle and Prim both make reference to the former thinking the Clockworker's Doll was Margaret upon first seeing her; he rationalizes that Prim never met Michaela so he jumps straight to think it's supposed to be her. The same with him meeting Michaela, but Kyle rationalizes that she looked older and it wasn't exact. Still, it's never clarified whether or not she's another Miku character.

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    • Well, will Kai be given a pass?

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    • Mistress, since Kai hasn't been given any characterization yet, I think we should wait until the Envy novel is released.

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    • Am I too late to give my opinion on Kai's head?

      I would say that the back of a head is better than no head right now, but I'm hoping he gets a face in the novel, even if it is black and white.

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    • Servy said it's all up to wether people are ok with the back of his head in his profile.

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    • lol I'm fine with just using the back of Kai's head for now.

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    • I'm going to give that a pass then. We'll count backs of heads as applicable "faces" for infobox images, assuming they meet our other criteria. That means we can go ahead with an article for Kai, but I think we should wait for more information about the other Mirokus since their personalities are practically non-existent at this point.

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      • their personalities

      Ijustcouldn'tpassupanopportunitylikethis

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    • I'll post it then

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    • Sloth Sinner wrote:
      *their personalities

      Ijustcouldn'tpassupanopportunitylikethis

      Thanks~.

      I assume we'll definitely say Kai is a Kaito at this point with the new illustration so that's another check off the list.

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    • I think early life should be worded like i did originally because he might not even have met mei in enbizaka, since it seems to be that onigashima is a place where refugees come, so he might have met her in beelzenia or marlon and later moved to enbizaka with her and adopting orphans along the way.

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    • Fair enough.

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    • Enbizakarelease

      "12/20 Enbizaka novel"

      I hope this should clear up the release date issues
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    • Ah, alright. December 20. Guess what I want for Christmas this year.

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Ah, alright. December 20. Guess what I want for Christmas this year.

      Lol, new poll: Are you going to buy the new novel?

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    • That can be arranged.

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    • Thought I'd share my thoughts regarding the Envy arc.

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    • I think that the webpage will either be up this sunday (exactly two weeks from it's release) or monday (it's anniversary)

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    • Quick question with onigashima, why is 嗚呼 translated as "yes", it's just "Ah" or "Alas"

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      I think that the webpage will either be up this sunday (exactly two weeks from it's release) or monday (it's anniversary)

      The websites have typically updated two-three weeks prior with a trailer around a week or so before so it's possible.

      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Quick question with onigashima, why is 嗚呼 translated as "yes", it's just "Ah" or "Alas"

      Dictionaries have a lot of translations for the term as it seems to all come from the same root of expressing surprise, exasperation, pity, etc. or expressing affirmation.

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    • In my experience, if "Ah" or "Alas!" is the intended meaning, it usually doesn't use the kanji.

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    • I can't wait for mothy to update that website!

      I hate Lemy's face so much right now

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    • Considering the number of characters each novel has been decreasing gradually, I wonder if this time we'll have any character at all on display

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    • it should happen any day now

      this is the longest he's taken

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    • PHP's the main engine behind the website so mothy really doesn't contribute here. They've been oddly quiet about this book though, overall.

      Anyhow, with Rin Miroku likely getting an article in the coming months, we're going to have a third character who's gone by the name of "Rin" in this series with a page of her own. Because of that, we should probably have a disambiguation page to help clarify these things, but Riliane Lucifen d'Autriche already has one for DoE. We've typically only kept one kind of redirect/disambiguation link at the top of relevant articles (ex: Ma only has the Ma disambiguation link and not the Elluka Clockworker one that Elluka Clockworker and Mayrana Blossom have).

      There's never been a defined policy for this so should we take a different course or stick to what we've been doing? If we're going to change it up, it might be prudent to consider what merits disambiguation pages and how many links we want cluttering the top of articles.

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    • It could get a little confusing for some characters if we started putting more redirects on certain pages. Unless we made a "disambiguation" section for characters that have way too many disambiguations concerning them (Riliane and Riliane [lol], The Daughter of Evil and Riliane, Riliane and Rin for instance. I know there isn't a disambiguation page for "Riliane", I'm just using it for the sake of my argument).

      But I can't say for sure how that would work out. I'm certainly against putting something like:

      «For other uses, see "The Daughter of Evil (Disambiguation)", "Rin (Disambiguation)" or "Riliane (Disambiguation)"». It would look awful and somehow confusing.

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    • not too bad of an idea

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    • Maybe "Rin" is just a temporary name, like the PV from DoE having Riliane with the name "Rin" and Allen with "Len" as name.

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    • The original PVs for both songs don't use any names, though they credit the Vocaloids involved.

      Anyhow, the SCP booklet explicitly uses the names "Rin", "Mei", "Miku", and "Kai" for the Miroku family. Regardless of whether she's got other names in the story, one of her primary aliases in-universe is Rin.

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    • Sloth Sinner wrote:
      Considering the number of characters each novel has been decreasing gradually, I wonder if this time we'll have any character at all on display

      The Pierrot profile only has Lemy in it because the other characters were already in Gift, and the concept arts were recycled. I believe we'll get 6-8 profiles this time.

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    • I think PHP teased the possiblity of information coming out tomorrow

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      I think PHP teased the possiblity of information coming out tomorrow


      The only problem is that I've seen that same tweet more than a couple times on PHP's account in the past few weeks, and they've never updated anything. But eh, maybe they're for real this time.

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    • Well they just updated the site for karakuri which comes out later than enbizaka so this time they might be serious

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    • Welp the trailer is out, and they /should/ update the website like, soon.

      Does anyone know what they say in the trailer? 

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    • A woman tailoring Kimonos, Kayo Sudou

      Suddenly lost her loved ones in the great fire that struck Enbizaka

      While the wounds on Kayo's body would heal, the wounds in her soul would not

      However at that moment, she had a fatefull encounter...

      The novel mentions alot of people dying in the greatfire, it happend in 838

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    • Good to know Mei and Kai will let their faces be illustrated during the book, though the trailer wasn't really too helpful there. It looks like we will get an Ichika color illustration of at least Kayo in the book; that may mean no regular character design images again. mothy and PHP are now making corrections that the release date is the 21st, which isn't a huge change.

      From the looks of the preview image, Kai and Mei are inside a building, possibly their home/store, and Kai's explaining his relations to his wife and daughter(s). The huge fire is said to take place four years prior so definitely 838. That would put Kayo at age 16 at the time of the disaster, meaning she's probably another young wife of 15 like Margarita, maybe even younger.

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    • Maybe that's why they were so quiet about it for so long, they couldn't pick a release date.

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    • It's possible, but that hasn't stopped PR from advertising before and making corrections afterward.

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    • It's almost like Mothy got tired of waiting for PR to announce so he went and did it himself, pfft. Even though he probably had the stuff for the novel beforehand.

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    • Who knows. Anyhow, the trailer also does brief shots of Kai, Mei, Miku, and Rin from what looks to be light novel illustrations so at least three of those will be of the family.

      As a side note, I just realized Kayo's wearing the Miroku's clothes on the cover when the same illustration has them all standing behind her.

      Kayotest3
      We have a few new good quality illustrations of Kayo now. The one on the right from the trailer crops a bit off the head but otherwise works out. The novel cover could be used too though her head's a bit large and the text is unavoidably right there. Thoughts?
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    • I like this one, looks nice

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    • Yeah, I agree that it looks nice. We'll probably get better images when the website/the PR twitter account updates.

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    • The japanese fandom seems to be livid about the delay of the webpage

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    • NinjaClockworker wrote:
      Yeah, I agree that it looks nice. We'll probably get better images when the website/the PR twitter account updates.

      I'm not sure if we'll get a text free image with enough space in either case, but we'll see.

      So what facts we seem to be able to confirm from the various summaries:

      1) This terrible fire that killed Kayo's family occurred four years prior to the main plot, so during the year EC 838.

      2) Kayo was injured in the fire but survived; her wounds healed but she was still devastated by the loss of her family.

      3) We will get to see Kai and Mei interact with people.

      Depending on who the narrator is following in that scene, whoever Kai and Mei are interacting with could be our main character pov or at least one of them. We may also simply be following each of the Mirokus.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      The huge fire is said to take place four years prior so definitely 838. That would put Kayo at age 16 at the time of the disaster, meaning she's probably another young wife of 15 like Margarita, maybe even younger.

      We are certain that Kayo had a child, right? Because that would mean that she was also pregnant when 15 or younger

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    • Yes the website fo SCaP stated her baby and husband died

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    • But hey this means we have the publisher summary

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    • Mistress, you have a copy of the novel, right? Do you think you'll be able to upload scans of the illustrations?

      Also, Servy's proposed headshot of Kayo gets my vote.

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    • What? It's not even out how would I have a copy?

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    • Ah, my apologies. I didn't read the caption on your Tumblr post and assumed you got an advance copy.

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    • Oh I see, but sadly I don't have the contacts for that.

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    • Kaialmostbetter
      Here i tried making a better Kai avatar, can we use this one instead or should we just wait for the novel to come out?
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    • I'm going to buy the novel today, but it only reaches my house in ~6/7 days of the purchase (obviously only after the release), so it i would have it probably ony day 27/28. I could try scanning the pictures, but it's a problem for me, cause my scaner fails 80% of the times, and i'm already trying to scan the EFEC and Pierrot novels for the Portuguese group, which is taking me some time (cause my scaner's a crap, it takes something like 20 minutes to scan one page of the book).

      (sorry for bad english)

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    • It's ok, we appreciate any help we can get

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    • Also, i think this Kai avatar is ok

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    • ...So in your proposal we're basically switching one "blurry back of the head" avatar with another "not quite as blurry back of the head" avatar which will probably look blurrier when fully blown up? 

      Let's just wait for the novel.

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    • Saw the trailer. Am satisfied and back in the fandom.

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    • Kaiarticle
      Idk looks decent imo
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    • It's better than nothing at least, but even so, I'd be okay with his image in the original MV.

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    • Hey I  can almost make out what kai is saying, because it seems like he's talking about a previous wife and daughter

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    • That image is so obscured I don't know how you can make out who's talking at all. He seems to be in a conversation with someone (who isn't Mei because he's not facing her).

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    • NinjaClockworker wrote:
      It's better than nothing at least, but even so, I'd be okay with his image in the original MV.

      Do you have a particular illustration in mind? I don't mind any back of the head of image so long as it's the best quality we can get; Misstress' suggestion is okay by me, though like Octo says, it might be best to just wait if we can't find much better quality of that same image.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:

      Do you have a particular illustration in mind?

      I guess the one that Mistress used originally for him when it was still in her sandbox, from the MV. It's not a s obvious that it's Kai, but it looks higher qualily imo.

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    • You mean that black and red one?

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    • I just saw the trailer a few minutes ago. To be honest, it felt underwelming to me. I expected it to be as dynamic as the Gift and Pierrot - these emphasize more on its plot while integrating symbolism related to their respective books; Enbizaka, on the other hand, has none of it.

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    • SO i think that what Kai is saying is that Miku or Rin isn't his and Mei's actual daughter (as in she's adopted)

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    • Was kinda expecting that. Is this all from the photo, Mistress?

      Also has anyone managed to translate the trailer yet?

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    • Yes it might be so that Miku and Rin where orphaned in the fire

      that's what i posted a bit further up, "a woman tailoring kimonos...." the rest is just technichal information and song lyrics

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    • Norrisguy4444 wrote:
      I just saw the trailer a few minutes ago. To be honest, it felt underwelming to me. I expected it to be as dynamic as the Gift and Pierrot - these emphasize more on its plot while integrating symbolism related to their respective books; Enbizaka, on the other hand, has none of it.

      I feel the same way but tbh the lackluster trailer is kind of hyping me up even more because it's giving me the feeling that this novel is gonna be full of new info and stuff that is gonna leave us so messed up. 

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    • Mothy always SOMEHOW steps up his game. We can count on heartbreak and confusion

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    • Norrisguy4444 wrote:
      I just saw the trailer a few minutes ago. To be honest, it felt underwelming to me. I expected it to be as dynamic as the Gift and Pierrot - these emphasize more on its plot while integrating symbolism related to their respective books; Enbizaka, on the other hand, has none of it.

      It's several times shorter than those other trailers you mention and sticks to giving the minimum. I agree, it could've been better. At least the emphasis on the fire kickstarting Kayo's descent gives a good possibility of the underlying mystery the book will cover, much like the Demon of Sloth/Calgaround Mikulia points or Lemy meeting "Ney" via the Glass. 

      PrincessAcedia wrote:
      I feel the same way but tbh the lackluster trailer is kind of hyping me up even more because it's giving me the feeling that this novel is gonna be full of new info and stuff that is gonna leave us so messed up. 

      One can hope.

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    • Danytaly wrote:
      Servant of Evillious wrote:
      The huge fire is said to take place four years prior so definitely 838. That would put Kayo at age 16 at the time of the disaster, meaning she's probably another young wife of 15 like Margarita, maybe even younger.
      We are certain that Kayo had a child, right? Because that would mean that she was also pregnant when 15 or younger


      Next on "16 and pregnant", we'll learn the story of Kayo Sudou! Stay tuned!

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    • Hey can i atleast use the new ico for the jakoku and enbizaka pages on residents?

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    • Kai's free to be changed since we've already changed his avi.

      Does anyone have issue with a book crop being used for Kayo's image in Residents sections? The full head can be used without the text being seen.

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    • I'm fine with using Kayo's book crop. About time we updated. Also, I wonder if Nagare Sudou will play a prominent role in the novel.

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    • Voting for changing her avi. The old one always needed replacing.

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    • Icon wise i prefer the trailer because the text kinda bothers me, maybe witht the wepage it wouldn't be an issue

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    • I agree with misstress, i too prefer the trailer one (and would wait for the website).

      Ph, by the way, in the trailer you can see half of Len's back of the head. Does anyone feel like adding it to his section? I know its basically nothing but it's still better than no image?

      This is where Len is https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12356840_1518512615107781_2426302573839616051_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

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    • LEN IS BLOND TOO 

      I'd been hoping he would have black hair even if it was a long shot once Rin's hair was blonde

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    • Do you think we could get temporary headshots for the Mirokus and Len based on the trailer? Just until the novel actually comes out, which is still in a week.

      Edit:

      Okay, here's what I was able to get from the trailer at HD. They probably don't meet the wiki's standards, but I think they'd make okay placeholders.
      Mirokus
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    • Len's isn't much and wouldn't be worth trying. The Mirokus are so blurry that I'm not sure it justifies replacing the current pictures. 

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    • It did say something about a Male Sudou right?

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    • THe backside if the cove rmight hold up, I could try

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    • Mirokujakoku
      here are the mirokus on the jakoku page, i don't think miku and rin hold up
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    • Kayowebpage
      Gakushawebpage
      Kokutanwebpage
      PROFILES I SCREAM

      No the boy is not Len, his name is infact Douji Kokutan

      Kayo's profile talks about what we already knew, she attractive and skilled but her loved ones are dead.

      Gakusha had been in an accident and lost all his memory (there's the "If i only hadn't forgotten") He's badly burnt on his face and hand. with the help of the traviling monk Giyara, he became a traveling monk aswell and went to jakoku

      Douji was appearently born from a tree and was sent by a mermaid to onigashima?

      Idk

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    • I'm afraid that the male Sudou will turn out to be Gakusha. Disappointed that Ma's not there.

      I love the concept art for Douji Kokutan btw

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    • ENbizakapage
      So the webpage gives us even more problems with text croping up all over Kayo...

      I think we'll have to settle for the trailer

      But yeah my suspicions to Gakusha being  the aformentioned sudou

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    • Confirmation the fire occurred in Enbizaka. Lovely.

      Gakusha's a good candidate for being the male Sudou mentioned or at least an Octo. Only scarred on the left side of his face and back of the left hand but has amnesia? Curious. The fire's being pushed to the forefront again. Nagare Sudou's still MIA though so he's also a possibility.

      This "Kokutandouji" is our Len. Based on the SCP booklet's name, I wonder if he'll be changing his name in Enbizaka for whatever reason. The name we're given here literally means "Ebony Boy" vs 練 which means practice, train, refine, etc.

      So an old man living in 桃弦郷 found this "Kokuo" (黒翁) who was born from an ebony tree with a more black trunk than the rest. As he grew up, he thought he had a "feeling there was something I ought to do myself", originally a divine message of a "mermaid", and visited Onigashima. 

      So is the revelation the "mermaid" gave what he's been thinking about or that he needed to visit Onigashima to fulfill that (or both)? If this is Allen's incarnation, I wouldn't be surprised if his subconscious feeling is recalling his desire to reunite with Riliane there in Jakoku like Behemo promised. I'm also not surprised if the "mermaid" is the Demon of Envy.

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    • "What should I name this boy who was born out of an EBony tree?"

      "Ebony Kid?"

      "You're a genius"

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    • Sudou Kayo

      She was the owner of a tailor shop at Enbizaka, at the center of Onigashima.

      She possessed both great skill and beauty, earning a good reputation in the neighborhood,

      She was living her ordinary life with her loved ones until she lost her family in a big fire at Enbizaka.



      Gakusha

      He was in an incident at Izasa Mount (?) north from Enbizaka.

      He lost all of his memories before regaining consciousness and got a big burn on his left face and left arm.

      After being rescued by a traveling monk Giyara, he became a trainee monk and joined the monk traveling the country Jakoku.



      Kokutandouji

      The boy was born from a rare ebony tree that had a trunk darker than any other, and was found by an old man named Kurookina residing in Tougen/Momotsuru Town.

      As he grew up, the boy started to think “It feels like there’s something I’ve got to do”. Following an divine message of a “mermaid”, he arrived at Onigashima.

      Note:

      Kayo Sudou: The letter for su (首) in Sudou has a native reading of kubi, meaning head, the same head in The Weathered Head at Onigashima (野ざらしの首、鬼ヶ島にて). (though this is a little far-fetched). Dou (藤) means Wisteria floribunda, a species of flower in Japan. Ka (禍) means evil, wickedness, disaster. Yo (世) means world.

      Gakusha: His name roughly means discarding of (human) comfort/enjoyment/pleasure. I think this is a concept in Buddhism. The name of Izasa appears in the legend of the Japanese thunder god Takemikazuchi.

      Kokutandouji: His name is literally Ebony Boy. The name of the old man who found him means Dark Old Man. Also the name of the village, 桃弦, has a letter for peach and a letter for bowstring.



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    • Hmm, interesting stuff. Can we use the website profiles as images for Gakusha and Len? Also, Gakusha's "incident" brings to mind what happened to Gast Venom.

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    • Dokutan Douji/Len seems to be holding something in his hand but I can't make out what it is.

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    • Emuei wrote:

      Dokutan Douji: His name is literally Ebony Boy. Also the name of the village, 桃弦, has a letter for peach and a letter for bowstring.

      His name is written as one word, unlike Kayo's, and the katakana is clearly "ko" not "do".

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      Emuei wrote:

      Dokutan Douji: His name is literally Ebony Boy. Also the name of the village, 桃弦, has a letter for peach and a letter for bowstring.

      His name is written as one word, unlike Kayo's, and the katakana is clearly "ko" not "do".

      Oops, sorry I got mixed up!

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    • No problem.

      Does anyone recognize the clothing styles Kokuo and Gakusha wear? I assume Gakusha's vaguely resembles a Buddhist or Shinto priest but want to be sure. It might also give us an indication about Kokuo's status/occupation.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      No problem.

      Does anyone recognize the clothing styles Kokuo and Gakusha wear? I assume Gakusha's vaguely resembles a Buddhist or Shinto priest but want to be sure. It might also give us an indication about Kokuo's status/occupation.


      I thlnk the it's the old man who is Kokuou/Kurookina. The boy is Kokutandouji.

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    • Emuei wrote:

      I thlnk the it's the old man who is Kokuou/Kurookina. The boy is Kokutandouji.

      That makes more sense, given the name meaning. I'm just going to call him Len then.

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    • My friend who studies Japanese culture said that Kokutandouji's outfit looks very much like a monk's.

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      My friend who studies Japanese culture said that Kokutandouji's outfit looks very much like a monk's.

      Regular monk? Warrior monk? Any particular era or time period?

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    • JapaneseMonk
      Gakusha's clothing looks pretty much like this Japanese traveling monk.
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    • If anyone else has a better understanding of Japanese folklore they should speak up, but it sounds to me like Kokutandouji is meant to be a play on Momotaro. Particularly considering how he goes to a place called Onigashima.

      I'm also hesitant to try and pin down any readings for names that the website hasn't given us. The Envy novel will most assuredly have them and pronunciations of kanji can vary wildly between names. Me personally for example I assumed the man's name was "Kuroo" or "Kurotoshi", not "Kokuo" and "Kurookina", because the pronunciation of those in name usage is different than in word usage.

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    • What if ebony wood is meant to symolise the black box?

      But yeah Kokutandouji being based on momotaro doesn't seem unlikely (peach son and ebony kid)

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    • 23.122.217.39 wrote:
      If anyone else has a better understanding of Japanese folklore they should speak up, but it sounds to me like Kokutandouji is meant to be a play on Momotaro. Particularly considering how he goes to a place called Onigashima.

      I'm also hesitant to try and pin down any readings for names that the website hasn't given us. The Envy novel will most assuredly have them and pronunciations of kanji can vary wildly between names. Me personally for example I assumed the man's name was "Kuroo" or "Kurotoshi", not "Kokuo" and "Kurookina", because the pronunciation of those in name usage is different than in word usage.

      The origin story of this boy reminds me of Momotaro too.

      As for the name of the old man, a quick search gives me kurookina. Don't know if there are other variants as well as what mothy intended though.

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    • Calling it now: Gakusha is Kayo's husband or her son (somehow).

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    • Dany and I called it already

      He copied Kai's face with the venom sword, it dissapeared after the fire and he forgot all about his marriage to Kayo

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    • ...Copying Kai's face seems to be a stretch IMO. He has no reason to copy a face, even before. In fact, his face is in line with how Ichika draws Gakupos. I'm also leaning toward him maybe actually being her son because so far, all Gakupos have been descendants of Venomania. Kayo is, too, and there's been zero evidence that her husband was a descendant of Venomania, while Kayo IS.

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    • He can't be her son, he's too old. He'd have to be four for that to work.

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    • Gakusha contracting with the Demon of Lust would be an interesting theory. Perhaps he wiped his memory by accident like Venomania used to.

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    • Yeah i thought so too

      Contract face changes and memory loss, it runs in the family

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    • Do we have a definite age for Kayo? All her profile for SCaP was she had a child, and the SCaP profiles weren't always accurate on age (see: Venomania listed Sateriasis' age; for all we know, especially given Kayo's perception is questionable, it's been much longer and she's older than she thinks). Unless her husband also turned out to be a Venomania descendant (I doubt, we only know of Octos so far and I don't recall the line branching after entering Jakoku--Mothy would have made not of it if it did) and that's why he's a Gakupo, I have little reason to be sure of Kayo's given age or anything. Especially given that the Venomania line seems to have a Looks Young Than They Are after a certain point.

      We'll have to see, really, but I'm not so sure he's the husband. Unless we actually have a random Gakupo somehow not related to Venomania in any way, shape or form (which has yet to happen--Vocaloids are usually there for a reason, and Mothy has been moving away from them unless he has reason to connect them to previous characters).

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    • She's twenty years old by the time of the murders

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    • ...Also I really doubt Gakusha contracted with Lust, unless he's secretly visiting brothels. He's a monk. He's very likely taken a /vow of chastity/. And also? Magic isn't the only way to lose memories. He's got burn scars. I would think that to be the far more likely option here.

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    • One doesn't have to make a contract with lust to change one's face (see Mayrana and Carlos) also he became a monk after his possible change

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    • We have ZERO PROOF he changed his face, though. You're only speculating that because of Kayo's fixation on Kai, when it's also entirely possible that she latched onto the first dude that had even a similar hair color to her lost husband. Keep in mind blue hair is the one thing we're sure of for Kai. We don't even know what his face is like, but unless we have a Kaito with a Gakupo face, Gakusha has the Gakupo face as Ichika draws it.

      Nevermind that there is no reason for Gakusha to have taken someone else's face that we can see. It would make far more sense AFTER the scars than before.

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    • 67.65.249.47 wrote:
      ...Also I really doubt Gakusha contracted with Lust, unless he's secretly visiting brothels. He's a monk. He's very likely taken a /vow of chastity/. And also? Magic isn't the only way to lose memories. He's got burn scars. I would think that to be the far more likely option here.

      He was not a monk before the memory loss so he could possibly contract for some reason. But anyway, his amnesia may as well have nothing to do with Lust.

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    • Emuei wrote:
      67.65.249.47 wrote:
      ...Also I really doubt Gakusha contracted with Lust, unless he's secretly visiting brothels. He's a monk. He's very likely taken a /vow of chastity/. And also? Magic isn't the only way to lose memories. He's got burn scars. I would think that to be the far more likely option here.
      He was not a monk before the memory loss so he could possibly contract for some reason. But anyway, his amnesia may as well have nothing to do with Lust.

      My point is that a contract with Lust requires one to /have sex/ to keep the powers going. That's why Yuzette was a prostitute. That's why Venomania had a harem. So therefore, unless he's actively breaking his vow of chastity now, he's very likely not contracted.

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    • Maybe Kokutandouji's name is meant to be spelled Kokutan-douji? I've heard of Shuten-douji and Ibaraki-douji, two oni generals in Japanese legend, and I know the term "karakuri-douji" is a term for windup dolls, but I don't know Japanese so I'm not entirely sure. I double checked though and Kokutan-douji DOES share the same kanji for "douji" as Shuten-douji and Ibaraki-douji so I could be right somehow.

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    • But he doesn't need to have sex becuase his face doesn't have to stay changed not did he ever have to make a contract

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      But he doesn't need to have sex becuase his face doesn't have to stay changed not did he vever have to make a contract

      Again: WHAT IS THE POINT? With Carlos, we knew BEFORE the novel that he'd changed his face.

      Also, last we saw, the Venom Sword was all the way in Elphegort about 200 years prior. IIRC MA has it. So unless Kayo's family has known MA for years, then her first encounter with the woman was when MA swapped bodies with her. And I'd think Kayo would recognize a missionary she'd met before.

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    • Okay, so in the case of Len /morelikeECMomotaro/ he looks like he might be wearing armour underneath his happi or haori? I would need more of the image to be able to be certain, but it looks like he is wearing Dō.


      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8D_(armour)

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    • Also, I don't feel like this is the place to argue about whether there was a face change with Kayo's husband or Gakusha, or atleast not in this way.

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    • Oh yeah, thank you for finiding hte name

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Oh yeah, thank you for finiding hte name

      You're welcome, Mistress. Since I'm the one running the EC Historic Project on tumblr I sorta have to get familiar with my terms... lol 


      As with Gakusha, as was already stated he's wearing traveling Monk getup, which I sorta zeroed in on as well when I first  saw the pictures.

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    • Did anyone see my post in the midst of all this arguing over Gakusha?

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    • Last bit I'll say, but I honestly find it far more likely that Kai is the one who changed his face. He's a foreigner in another country, and his family is so mixed it's obvious they can't all be 100% related. How do we know Kai isn't a royal in hiding for some reason? That'd explain why Kayo fixates on him--he's given the face of Kayo's husband on complete accident (or purpose, who knows) to hide him.

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    • Seven-Colored Puppeteer wrote:
      Did anyone see my post in the midst of all this arguing over Gakusha?

      He's based on momotaro(peach son) so it's probably kokutandouji (ebony kid)

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    • I'm told a dash isn't something necessary to the romanization, but it's more of a choice many people have made translating it because of the length.

      We have the same length issue, so I'm in favor of the dash given this precedent. 

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    • Seven-Colored Puppeteer wrote:
      Did anyone see my post in the midst of all this arguing over Gakusha?

      Yep!



      Also, the thing is,as I've had it pointed out to me, there doesn't HAVE to be a face change considering mothy is going for "mentally unstable widow becomes a yandere". It's been pointed out that she's crazy, so it doesn't nessicarily mean that Kai must have Kayo's late husband's face. 


      although personally I feel like a face swap might ease Kayo into becoming insane, so that it isn't like "Random family murdered due to male member's uncanny resemblance to decesed local man" a la The Onion.

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    • Yeah, it's a question as to why she's fixated on him.

      Also, I realized I have some proof Kayo's perception is off. I don't believe that a trainee monk is allowed to travel alone, but we never hear of Gakusha traveling with someone. You have to be a trainee at least five years, IIRC, meaning the fire was at least five years ago. Most likely longer because he'd have needed to recover first.

      Meaning Kayo would have been fifteen at the time of the fire, probably younger. >>; Whether this means anything, we'll see, but someone's perception is definitely off. (Contrary to popular portrayal, marriage at 13-15 was not actually that common excep among nobility most places.)

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    • 67.65.249.47 wrote:
      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      But he doesn't need to have sex becuase his face doesn't have to stay changed not did he vever have to make a contract
      Also, last we saw, the Venom Sword was all the way in Elphegort about 200 years prior. IIRC MA has it. So unless Kayo's family has known MA for years, then her first encounter with the woman was when MA swapped bodies with her. And I'd think Kayo would recognize a missionary she'd met before.

      Actually, the World Police collected all the vessels left in the cave and stored it in their vaults. Irina didn't have the mirrors, twin blades, doll, or spoon at that time so the sword, key, and glass were apparently what they found. Of course, it's been 200 years and the vessels have always cropped up as the plot demands.

      A contract with the Demon of Lust would mean increasing sexual urges over time. Sati was barely holding out after a little over a month and Yuzette was in a similar situation. It's a wonder how Yuzette managed that before becoming a prostitute. If Gakusha was still contracted post-amnesia, he should still feel the effects regardless of whether he's employed any of the demon's powers.

      I don't think we can really speak about who/what Kayo recognizes in Enbizaka considering all the other oddness going on. We have no idea how long Ma's been in Jakoku or who she interacted with before and after swapping bodies with Kayo.

      DaughteroftheforestCourt1 wrote:
      Okay, so in the case of Len /morelikeECMomotaro/ he looks like he might be wearing armour underneath his happi or haori? I would need more of the image to be able to be certain, but it looks like he is wearing Dō.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8D_(armour)

      GT's friend says his clothes resembles a monk's but I was thinking the same thing. He might've gotten involved with the military or law enforcement at some point.

      Octofan wrote:
      I'm told a dash isn't something necessary to the romanization, but it's more of a choice many people have made translating it because of the length.

      We have the same length issue, so I'm in favor of the dash given this precedent. 

      I've seen examples of terms being done both with and without dashes so I don't mind either way, as long as we're consistent.

      67.65.249.47 wrote:
      Yeah, it's a question as to why she's fixated on him.

      Also, I realized I have some proof Kayo's perception is off. I don't believe that a trainee monk is allowed to travel alone, but we never hear of Gakusha traveling with someone. You have to be a trainee at least five years, IIRC, meaning the fire was at least five years ago. Most likely longer because he'd have needed to recover first.

      Meaning Kayo would have been fifteen at the time of the fire, probably younger. >>; Whether this means anything, we'll see, but someone's perception is definitely off. (Contrary to popular portrayal, marriage at 13-15 was not actually that common excep among nobility most places.)

      The fire took place four years prior to the main story, putting Kayo at 16 based on other sources.

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    • Then Gakusha being a  non-trainee monk doesn't make sense, unless Evillious monks don't go by the same conventions and he's allowed to travel on his own. Wondering how much perceptiong fuckery is going on here, now, given perception has always seemed to be a huge thing with Kayo and Envy. :|a

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    • 67.65.249.47 wrote:
      Then Gakusha being a  non-trainee monk doesn't make sense, unless Evillious monks don't go by the same conventions and he's allowed to travel on his own. Wondering how much perceptiong fuckery is going on here, now, given perception has always seemed to be a huge thing with Kayo and Envy. :|a

      Perhaps. We don't know anything about Jakoku's culture or religious practices so there's a gap in knowledge either way. mothy's freely picked and chosen elements of western culture used for the Evillious setting so the same could be done here.

      Anyhow, no matter what the situation is, Gakusha's a Gackpo. If it's not a face change, then that would mean he's a Veno descendant. The only known lineage in Jakoku (particularly Enbizaka) is the Octo family, where Gato and his daughter Kagura come from.

      The tree mothy made indicates that Gato had another child. It's still possible that child or his/her progeny is Gakusha. We don't know if Nagare Sudou or Gato Octo survived the fire either; they could be key to understanding the relationships going on here.

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    • Well, I'm agree the Venom Sword may be involved into the plot. I wouldn't be surprised if somehow Gakusha and/or Kai were victims of a face swap and some mind-washing.

      However,as the guys mentioned early, it's improbable Gakusha was a contractor due the issue of increasing libido and the emotional outbursts. However, this doesn't mean that someone else used the Sword (MA?)

      On a side note, I'm not discarding the possibility that Kayo wasn't so delusional as it's implied, and actually his husband was unfaithful, specially if we consider KAITO's characters usually are moved by the guilt and selfishness (Kaspar and Gallerian, anyone?).

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    • Not Karchess, he just wanted his lover back

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Not Karchess, he just wanted his wife back

      Totally

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      • My vote goes to us using Kokutan-douji, since that's how the Japanese figures of legend were named. It's also interesting to note that those figures were oni generals, and the setting of the Envy novel is Onigashima.
      • I believe Kokutan-douji is a reference to the tale of Momotarou. Briefly reading over it, being born from a tree, being found by an old man and going to "demon island" are all parallels to the fairy tale.
      • I wonder why Ma hasn't been noted in the website profiles. I hope she isn't relegated to a background role like Irina in the previous novels.
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    • I think Ma (and the Mirokus) are like Ron in the Conchita novel, important, but not a main character to warrant a profile

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      I think Ma (and the Mirokus) are like Ron in the Conchita novel, important, but not a main character to warrant a profile

      If Ma doesn't show then I won't have good references for my art

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      *My vote goes to us using Kokutan-douji, since that's how the Japanese figures of legend were named. It's also interesting to note that those figures were oni generals, and the setting of the Envy novel is Onigashima.
      • I believe Kokutan-douji is a reference to the tale of Momotarou. Briefly reading over it, being born from a tree, being found by an old man and going to "demon island" are all parallels to the fairy tale.
      • I wonder why Ma hasn't been noted in the website profiles. I hope she isn't relegated to a background role like Irina in the previous novels.


      Shuten-douji and Ibaraki-douji aren't related to Momotaro though, unless mothy wants to mix stuff up in much the same way Allen is Jesus in Revolution-era France that somehow still has medeival-looking knights. Their HQ was over in Mt. Ooe, not Onigashima, and they were defeated by Minamoto no Yorimitsu and his vassals (Including Sakata no Kintoki, who inspired Gintoki from Gintama). Though, of course, Suika Ibuki, the Touhou Project version of Shuten-douji, has a boss theme titled "Onigashima in Fairyland", so if you assume mothy is somehow neck-deep in Touhou lore for some reason I GUESS it could work....

      Kokutan-douji though seems to definitely be a reference to Momotaro. You've got kids coming out of plants and being raised by old people and heading off to Demonville. All we need are adorable animal companions.

      And the obvious answer to why MA isn't in the profiles is including her would spoil too much.

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      • I wonder why Ma hasn't been noted in the website profiles. I hope she isn't relegated to a background role like Irina in the previous novels.

      Considering Ma's essentially succeeding Irina as the main antagonist, I haven't been expecting her to do much. She just needs to be there as a source for whatever transpires and then get out of Dodge before anyone moves on her.

      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      I think Ma (and the Mirokus) are like Ron in the Conchita novel, important, but not a main character to warrant a profile

      Ron has more screentime and plot involvement than Elluka does so it's really more an issue of one had a Vocaloid and the other didn't imo. Unless you're also going to say Julia/Mayrana were also not main characters deserving of profiles in their respective books' webpages.

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    • In regards to the profiles is everyone just...forgetting, that half of the Vocaloid characters in Story of Evil didn't get profiles on the novel sites?

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    • So the Novel twitter acount updated it's background and i think we might get some decent profiles out of this one
      ENbizakatwitterbackground

      What is gakusha wearing on his head?

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    • Malice Twiright wrote:
      In regards to the profiles is everyone just...forgetting, that half of the Vocaloid characters in Story of Evil didn't get profiles on the novel sites?

      A screenshot of the original website shows Wiegenlied and presumably others did have all dozen+ characters with designs included. It was only later on that the current lay out changed that. Besides, the DoE website includes all the major characters with prominent roles in the novels they're in. DSoE's been a lot less consistent from Gift onward.


      Alright, I see three people preferring a dash for "Kokutan-douji's" name and I stated I was fine either way. If no one else wants to speak up with preference for it just being one word (Kokutandouji) in the next 12 hours, I'll be giving this a pass.

      Another thing, since we're given this for the novel name, I suggest we have his character section use that. Once the book is out and we can confirm the circumstances on his possible name change along with other info, we can bring up the topic again for his future character page. Similar to what was done with Carlos.

      Dragging the topic about Resident sections back down here, I think we should wait for better quality regarding novel images for the other Mirokus. Hopefully we'll have high quality scans by next week.

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    • I feel like i'd be more acurate to keep it one word like momotaro

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    • Kayoavatar
      The twitter banner definitely gives a lot more to work with at better quality. There's a little bit of text in the corner but I personally think it's negligible; hardly distracting. Gives us a good quality look at Kayo's head and I don't see anything particularly wrong with the way she's portrayed compared to other images.
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    • I'm alright with using that one as Kayo's avi. Also, is it okay for me to draft Len and Gakusha's articles in my Sandbox?

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    • Your sandbox is your sandbox. You can do whatever. Like Platonic, we lack enough info on these characters for giving them pages though.

      Mirokufamily
      Here's a crop of the Mirokus. Quality's too poor for infobox images but it may make a suitable replacement for our current Miroku Family illustration. Thoughts? I don't mind either.
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    • Greek I've started on something in my sandbox for gakusha and Len so you can build from them if you want

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    • Yeah I like that one better that the silhouettes

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    • I agree with both the picture for the Mirokus and Kayo's. =3=

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    • Servy are you somehow able to get out more of the banner? Becuase not all of the Mirokus appear out of it

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    • From his headgear it looks like Gakusha is a komusou monk. I could talk about it as though I actually know all about it, but I don't, so I'll just summarize what's on Wikipedia. It basically means he's taken a vow of poverty, is required to always be traveling, and plays structured music as he walks as a meditative practice.

      Gakusha lifting the tengai from his head might be symbolic of him being ill-suited/dissatisfied with his role as a monk or it might just be so we can recognize him.

      Also according to Wikipedia, spies, ninja, and masterless samurai were also known to disguise themselves in the guise of the komusou (some of the actual monks were spies apparently to appease the shogunate, who thought they were useless and wanted to purge them). Because of that they came under heavy scrutiny and would be required to play difficult pieces to prove they were really monks.

      Allegedly they were abolished in the late 1800s.

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    • Oh, thank you, this could be really relevant information

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      The twitter banner definitely gives a lot more to work with at better quality. There's a little bit of text in the corner but I personally think it's negligible; hardly distracting. Gives us a good quality look at Kayo's head and I don't see anything particularly wrong with the way she's portrayed compared to other images.
      Kayoavatar-edited
      My brother has helped me edit out the letter. What do you guys think?
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    • 23.122.217.39 wrote:

      Gakusha lifting the tengai from his head might be symbolic of him being ill-suited/dissatisfied with his role as a monk or it might just be so we can recognize him.

      I'd guess it's the latter, though Ichika does surround him with cloth with fire burning buildings in the design, which probably does relate to his character.

      Also, are those designs on Len's robe peach flowers or just some really stylized shapes?

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    • Seems more like shapes thaan flowers, but then again it could try to resemble peach flowers

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    • Not sure if this is actually relevant or not, but this is the only novel that has the title written vertically, as opposed to all the other ones that had the title horizontally.

      Maybe it could be used as a trivia point as it relates to it being more "oriental style" while the others were not. Once again, I'm just mentioning this as I noticed it while trying to read what was the translation they made for the novel and realized it was vertical, but I can't say if it is worth a trivia point or not. (Or even if it matters? The DoE novels also had vertical titles after all, but are not a part of THESE series)

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:

      Also, are those designs on Len's robe peach flowers or just some really stylized shapes?

      Well if mothy's trying to really tie in Momotaro to Len/Kokutandouji then they probably are peach blossoms, but maybe a bit more geometric or they are unopened blossoms?

      Also I'm okay with switching Kayo and the Miroku pictures. owo

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    • Emuei wrote:
      Kayoavatar-edited
      My brother has helped me edit out the letter. What do you guys think?

      I like it but I feel like Kayo should be more centered I guess

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    • Sloth Sinner wrote:
      Not sure if this is actually relevant or not, but this is the only novel that has the title written vertically, as opposed to all the other ones that had the title horizontally.

      Maybe it could be used as a trivia point as it relates to it being more "oriental style" while the others were not. Once again, I'm just mentioning this as I noticed it while trying to read what was the translation they made for the novel and realized it was vertical, but I can't say if it is worth a trivia point or not. (Or even if it matters? The DoE novels also had vertical titles after all, but are not a part of THESE series)

      Ichika talks about it on her twitter, so it does seem to be intentional on PHP's part to use a traditional oriental style for this book vs other Deadly Sins of Evil novels. I think giving it a curiosity trivia point is fair.

      NinjaClockworker wrote:

      Well if mothy's trying to really tie in Momotaro to Len/Kokutandouji then they probably are peach blossoms, but maybe a bit more geometric or they are unopened blossoms?

      Also I'm okay with switching Kayo and the Miroku pictures. owo

      Maybe. There's so many different designs for flowers in real-life kimono that I wasn't sure.

      Alright, I'm giving a pass for those two illustrations then. I now notice Emuei's got something though so if there's a preference there, feel free to speak up. I don't know if I could center it more without putting too much of the lettering in to be smoothly edited out, but I can try.

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    • I like Emuei's version better.

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    • I made an avatar for her by editing her current one and zooming in a little bit more and centering her idk if it looks okay but you can check it out in my sandbox 

      http://theevilliouschronicles.wikia.com/wiki/User:PrincessAcedia/Sandbox

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    • Kayoavatar3

      after

      I personally keep mine to a precise proportion/ratio when editing them. I did a shift so if anyone wants to take a crack at editing it, go ahead. Personally, it doesn't matter to me. Both of these passed my Gallerian and Residents tests and the lettering in the corner isn't distracting for me.
      Kayoavatar

      before

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    • I agree with Kokutan-douji's name with a dash, as with did with the trivia about the Kuchisake-onna in Kayo's article. In that way we can keep some consistent format among the articles.

      By the way, everybody keeps saying that Kokutan-douji probably is based on Momotaro's tale. However guys, you are forgetting about the legend of the Princess Kaguya: The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter. Keep it in mind, so in that we wouldn't forget any potential trivia.

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    • As I understand it, Adept, Kuchisake-onna is given a dash because the "onna" part is a descriptor and technically a separate word. Kokutandouji is all one name. The dash is purely for the sake of Western readers dividing it up easier.

      • EDIT*: I am also going to point out, Momotaro is the protagonist of the Onigashima tale--Onigashima being the place where Kokutandouji goes in the novel. So it's far more likely a reference to him than Princess Kaguya. It's not just that we've forgotten that other characters can come from plants. 
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    • Adept-eX wrote:
      I agree with Kokutan-douji's name with a dash, as with did with the trivia about the Kuchisake-onna in Kayo's article. In that way we can keep some consistent format among the articles.

      By the way, everybody keeps saying that Kokutan-douji probably is based on Momotaro's tale. However guys, you are forgetting about the legend of the Princess Kaguya: The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter. Keep it in mind, so in that we wouldn't forget any potential trivia.


      I'm familirar with Bamboo Cutter, but I don't really see too much of a connection besides a few things, like Kaguya being a extraterrestrial like being and being found in Bamboo -a tree like plant-. What was it you were noticing?

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    • DaughteroftheforestCourt1 wrote:
      Adept-eX wrote:
      I agree with Kokutan-douji's name with a dash, as with did with the trivia about the Kuchisake-onna in Kayo's article. In that way we can keep some consistent format among the articles.

      By the way, everybody keeps saying that Kokutan-douji probably is based on Momotaro's tale. However guys, you are forgetting about the legend of the Princess Kaguya: The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter. Keep it in mind, so in that we wouldn't forget any potential trivia.


      I'm familirar with Bamboo Cutter, but I don't really see too much of a connection besides a few things, like Kaguya being a extraterrestrial like being and being found in Bamboo -a tree like plant-. What was it you were noticing?

      I can find other parallels as well, like that both of them were found by an old man who later named them, and Allen/Kaguya incarnating because of the Gods' will. Also you could see Allen as an "almost-deity" because he descends from the Lucif twin gods. Finally, the parallel Kaguya - moon could also be said for the servant: Allen - night (as in twiright prank)

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    • Momotaro was also found by an old couple who later named him, was also sent by heaven, and unlike Kaguya he went to a place called Onigashima because he felt he had a task to complete there (fighting demons). And in some regional variants, he's not found in a peach but a box.

      I mean all we need is for Allen to befriend some animals along the way and we're set.

      Aside from the moon thing (which I think is shaky at best) I'm not seeing any particular connections to Kaguya that aren't already covered by Momotaro. The two tales happen to be similar but that doesn't mean the other one is also being drawn from. Kaguya in particular ends up leading a vastly different life.

      There might be more to suggest such a connection in the book but until we have that I see no reason to think any other tales are being drawn from but Momotaro.

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    • Inspiration for something doesn't mean every element has to be consistent. There's enough core similarities for the Momotaro tale.

      Anyhow, I'm still seeing a clear majority for using the dash so that's how we'll handle it for the time being. Until we confirm the circumstances of the book, we'll use "Kokutan-douji" for Len's section title ala Carlos. Once we have enough info for an article, we can open up the discussion on whether to continue using the dash and whether to even use that name for the page title.

      I'm going to allow us to update pages with the relevant info from the profiles, which is mostly the fire and the tidbits about Gakusha and Kokutan. We'll exclude the names that don't have a clear spelling in Kanji and wait to see what the novel brings first.

      And finally, I'm updating Kayo's avi to Emuei's edited version just to avoid any potential complaints.

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    • Kaimirokuavatar
      Can I replace Kai's avi with this one?
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    • I had an idea of how Momotaro made friends with animals what if Len does something similar only with the Demons of Sin. Such as he somehow comes in possession of some of the Vessels of Sin and recognizing that he is Allen they befriend him and help him (probably with more nefarious goals in mind). I think it would fit in considering that Len uses the Golden Key to kill Kayo and Momotaro defeated the demons with the help of the animal friends. It's kind of a reach and most likely won't happen but yeah.

      Also I agree with changing Kai's avi to that

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    • I support Emuei's avi suggestion. It's significantly better quality compared to our current one.

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    • I also agree with changing Kai's avi

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    • I agree with changing Kai's avi.

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    • Same

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    • Clear majority; I'm giving the new infobox image a pass.

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    • SO the envy novel is out appearently, this akame girl on tiwtter read it and commented "I like the gallerian illustration"

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    • Depending on where you live, the handlers could drop it off at your address before the official release date.

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    • She said she went and bought it

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    • As in from a store in-person? That's interesting.

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    • She bought it in a "store nearby"

      People have been jokingly telling her to watch out for people with scissor who might come after her

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    • I guess some stores have decided to put out the books early or there was some sort of mistake at this store in particular?

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    • It's Animate so who can say...

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    • SHe does confirm that Kai and Rin are cinnamon rolls

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    • I don't plan of buying the book anyways.

      Even though it's temepting, I knew that I can't read Japanese well.

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    • It's a bummer for those who'd like to have the novel when it comes out, but It'll just mean that (at worst) we won't have first-hand accounts from within our community for a little while longer.

      Speaking of Amazon, the light novel is listed as being 285 pages. Sometimes the page count's off, but that would put it between Lunacy + EFEC and Gift + Pierrot in terms of length. I wonder how many chapters that will cover. I assume at least 6 or 7, excluding the extra chapter with Gallerian.

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    • Never mind my sulkiness, Amazon sent me an update that I should get it within its normal time range. ||D

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    • Yay for you Ninja!

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    • There's a live broadcast tomorrow for the Enbizaka Light Novel on Nico Nico.

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    • so akame's been tweeting "rilialle"

      Perhaps reincarnating as non blood reltive had some side effects with rin and kokutan

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    • Emuei wrote:
      There's a live broadcast tomorrow for the Enbizaka Light Novel on Nico Nico.

      Yep. Hopefully we'll get a chance to see some of the light novel or hear mothy answer some neat questions.

      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      so akame's been tweeting "rilialle"

      Perhaps reincarnating as non blood reltive had some side effects with rin and kokutan

      Or it just means there are "Rilialle" moments in the book. Hard to say with such a vague statement. If Kokutan and Rin don't have memories of their past lives, then Riliane and Allen are literally passing by each other without realizing it.

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    • Does anyone know if a non-premium user like me can watch the it after the broadcast? 'Cause it seems like only premium accounts get access to the live broadcast.

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    • No, i watch all the live casts and i'm not a premium member.

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    • Sweet! Gonna watch it tomorrow.

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    • you might want to time shift so you can watch it again later

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    • I believe it begins at 5:00 AM EST tomorrow? Unless they're going by JST in which that would only be a few hours from now... I timeshifted anyhow so I guess I'm okay.

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    • Oh well, I'll wait till it arrives

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    • Well, unfortunately, it looks like we won't be getting a good colored illustration of Miku and Kai's faces; it looks like Ichika only illustrated Gakusha, Kokutan, and Kayo for the front pages. The book length looks about right though, 7-8 chapters.

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    • live stream
      ENbizakasinners

      all the other main characters in DSoE

      • Mothy fanboys over hitoshizuku and fallout 4
      • He still doesn't understand women
      • He's been terrfied of Kayo since he created her
      • He's a memer
      • He's well aweare that his kaitos die horribly
      • he loves james bond and rocky
      • He appreciates cosplayers
      • Ichika is evil
      • Gakusha is werid
      • the mirokus don't have profiles in the book
      • Sickle
      • (seems like) this'll be the last DSoE
      • Gumillia is awesome
      • Nemesis/judgment standalone series (maybe)
      • Drug of gold pv (maybe)
      • The miroku naming was inspried by Krypton (which sounds like Crypton) it's atommic number is 36
      • There will be twelve songs in the CL series
      • Levia wear black underwear
      • We'll learn more about the period in the novel
      • Yarera
      • PV illustrated by Ichika
      • DoE Act 3 in ajnuary, ichika's been working her butt off
      • He throws shade at shujin p
      • TETO LANGLEY CONFIRMED (not her name)
      • Netsuma
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    • Fallout 4? Geez mothy, what a horrible taste in video games!

      With how scared he is of Kayo she better be very spooky ✂✂✂✂✂✂✂✂✂

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    • InTheBasement wrote:

      With how scared he is of Kayo she better be very spooky ✂✂✂✂✂✂✂✂✂

      I'm hoping for at least a creepy Ichika illustration of her.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      InTheBasement wrote:

      With how scared he is of Kayo she better be very spooky ✂✂✂✂✂✂✂✂✂

      I'm hoping for at least a creepy Ichika illustration of her.

      You wishes are granted servy i snapped some illustrations

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:

      You wishes are granted servy i snapped some illustrations

      But none of the illustrations I saw in the livestream were creepy. XD

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:

      You wishes are granted servy i snapped some illustrations

      But none of the illustrations I saw in the livestream were creepy. XD

      You don't think Kayo laughing while covered in blood is creepy?

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    • Chimidorobicchi
      Mikumiku

      Bye bye

      Kayoma
      Kokutanandco
      2pureforthisworld

      Rin

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    • Seramyu wrote:
      Servant of Evillious wrote:
      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:

      You wishes are granted servy i snapped some illustrations

      But none of the illustrations I saw in the livestream were creepy. XD
      You don't think Kayo laughing while covered in blood is creepy?

      I was hoping for less Margarita glazed expression and more Eve crazy or Banica calm. orz

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    • I'm not sure her eyes are glazed, so much as she may just be so fucked up that she's not even aware of the blood.

      Which is scary in itself.

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    •  I'M SO F*CKING HAPPY

      HOW ARE YOU NOT FANGIRLING ABOUT TETO?! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?!

      CHARTETTE DID HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY KEPT THE MONKEY MASK TRADITION OMG IM SO HAPPYYYYYYYYY

      T

      E

      T

      O w/ the monkey maskkkkkk

      oh and btw trivia suggestion about Teto being the "monkey" of Momotarou.

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    • I'M EXTATIC ABOUT TETO

      But I'm also very curoius about the boy

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    • 67.66.94.199 wrote:
      I'm not sure her eyes are glazed, so much as she may just be so fucked up that she's not even aware of the blood.

      Which is scary in itself.

      If that's in the narrative, then great. But the illustration of the face itself? I found it to be the least scary thing about Margarita and I feel the same about it with Kayo.

      Danytaly wrote:
      OH SNIP!

      Yeah, it's all but confirmed that Chartette had children in Jakoku at this point. Curious what the monkey mask is for in-universe; I get Chartette just failed at hiding her face, but why would her descendant keep doing it? Warrior tribe thing? Or some part of Japanese culture I'm no aware of?

      Anyhow, I think Dany brings up a good point. This Teto character wearing a monkey mask and (presumably) being one of Len's friends definitely strengthens the Momotarou reference. Makes you wonder if the other animals will crop up in one form or another.

      I think it's also notable that in the illustration of what appears to be Ma and Kayo swapping bodies, Kayo's wearing a monocle; makes sense, since Ma wore one after acquiring the body for herself. It might be significant if Seth and Gumillia's cases are any indication.

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    • Whoa there, that's some big font.

      The REAL question is: Who's the guy next to Kokutan-douji who has his hand up?

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    • I thought it was Kai at first but on a second look, he looks about Teto's height/age. He might just be another one of Len's friends.

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Ichika is evil

      Didn't you mean "Mothy is evil Ichika is sugoi"? No seriously why did you write that

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    • He's probably suposed to be the dog or the crane

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    • Danytaly wrote:
      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Ichika is evil
      Didn't you mean "Mothy is evil Ichika is sugoi"? No seriously why did you write that

      Mothy's words, not mine

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    • Oh boy Mothy likes Hitoshizuku

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    • Well, my theories confirmed.

      Well, if this is the last DSoE, I'm very confused on what that implies for the later novels.

      Also, call me crazy, but is that guy in Len's party a Kiyoteru?

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    • If you read through the entirety of the Livestream info you should have across mention of a Nemesis/Judgment series as a possibility. This might mean mothy is lumping Gallerian and Nemesis' stories in with Evils Theater and the endgame. > > Sad, for me, because it means even longer, if ever, before we get OSS novels.

      And I doubt he's a Kiyoteru, if only because he has no glasses.

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    • Wouldn't logically lopping stuff with Gally with the endgame mean we'd get OSS sooner'? Eh, it's not a big deal, what's in front of us is more important.

      Also, I want to see mothy get in a meme battle with Sui Ishida. AR: 1.

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    • Maybe one of the endgame books will be a mega-flashback-y-thing on the OSS, who knows

      -shot

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    • Tbh they get along well songs wise... Tragic stories and VOCALOID based characters... Also Kagamine. (Who doesn't like TeamOS anyway) (Just kidding)

      • "DoE Act 3 in ajnuary, ichika's been working her butt off"

      It means... RILIANE ! RILIANE ! RILIANE ! More RILIANE ! With V4X ! RILIANE !

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    • Wait I'm sorry I'm dumb I though it meant a new PV. I forgot about the manga this is what I get for stopping reading things about Evillious for a while ;;

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    • So I've watched it again a few times and now I can say that Judgment/nemesis will not be a standalone series. Judgment will be the last DSoE novel and nemesis might recieve special treatment (this is where i'm uncertain).

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      So I've watched it again a few times and now I can say that Judgment/nemesis will not be a standalone series. Judgment will be the last DSoE novel and nemesis might recieve special treatment (this is where i'm uncertain).

      That's a wonderful clarification. Thanks for double checking that for me.

      Since the novel's now officially out and the trivia about it has been removed from Deadly Sins of Evil, I think the fact mothy plans to release a JoC novel to finish up the series would make for an excellent replacement. If it's hard to make out what mothy plans to do with TMoN, it's best we don't mention it until we get a definite source imo.

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    • Well, it's been a common point that mothy just has to cover the valued points. The Judgement/Muzzle arc has mostly been set up, it's just the various details that need expansion ie. Nyoze, PN, Nemesis past...

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    • Another source to corroborate some of Misstress' info along with new stuff:

      • CL is indeed planned to have 12 songs total.
      • mothy seems to be considering making something out of Rin/Len V4.
      • A production request for a Survival Ma PV has been made to Ichika.
      • Non-black-haired characters like the Mirokus have foreign blood; the setting is apparently inspired by Dejima in Nagasaki.
      • mothy apparently wanted to travel to Dejima for research but didn't have the time.
      • The Miroku name is indeed a reference to Krypton's atomic number.
      • "Judgment of Corruption" is indeed the last planned Deadly Sins of Evil novel.
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    • So Enbizaka is inspired by Dejima? These are all interesting trivia points; I hope we can put them up soon.

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    • Well that confirms a couple facts. Sure going to be interested now on how Kai, Mei and Gakusha get explained (betting on there being a supernatural reason of some sort for Miku and Rin).

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    • Wait, if Enbizaka is based on an area in Nagasaki...does that mean the location for Punishment striking might of been there o_0!? It would fit with the WWII motif...

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    • @Malice, Punishment was accidentally fired at Jakoku instead of Maistia in the Great War, so the WWII parallels are definitely there. As Octo said before, if the EC 800s are indeed supposed to parallel the Meiji restoration, we could be witnessing the start of Jakoku's imperialism.

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    • Well, how interesting...

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    • I'm sorry but... What is CL ?

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    • Clockwork Lullaby

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    • Yeah those are all interesting things but the real question is: are we going to add Levia's black panties in her trivia? 

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    • Danytaly wrote:
      Yeah those are all interesting things but the real question is: are we going to add Levia's black panties in her trivia? 

      Well, do we find it notable and appropriate? As far as curiosities go, I think it could qualify.

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Chimidorobicchi
      Mikumiku

      Bye bye

      Kayoma
      Kokutanandco
      2pureforthisworld

      Rin

      I love them! I want to see more! And I want to see JOC novel to

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    • Anyway I agree on Levia's panties in the trivia

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    • So in order, the illustrations are:

      1. Miku Miroku
      2. Kayo and Ma
      3. Kai and Mei Miroku
      4. Len and company
      5. Rin and Kayo
      6. Bloodied Kayo
      7. Len & Gakusha
      8. Kayo's beheading
      9. Ma and the Demon of Envy

      We also have the following Minor Characters:

      • Admiral Perrier/Perry Parallel
      • Giji Yarera
      • Teito
      • Ikemichi

      Shoutout to Ninja for providing the scans.

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    • The kanji for Len/Kokutan's friends are

      Imekichi - 犬吉 (犬 - dog; 吉 - canine tooth)

      Saruteito - 十六代目 猿帝都 (Her name has monkey in it)

      Kiji Yarera - キジ ヤレラ (Kiji has the same pronunciation as "green pheasant")

      Okay so there you go.

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    • Proposed trivia points
      For The Weathered Head at Onigashima:

      • The song's title includes the kanji 首, meaning "head"; the same character is present in Kayo's surname.

      For Sudou Family:

      • In Deadly Sins of Evil: The Tailor of Enbizaka, the Sudou name is written in kanji as 首藤 in Japanese kanji, using the kanji for "head" and "wisteria", respectively; Kayo Sudou, its most prominent member, was beheaded.

      For Kayo Sudou:

      • In Buddhism, wisteria flowers symbolize love, grace and bliss.
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    • -I'm curious, how long is the book exactly?

      -So, we now have an Adrimal Perry stand-in. Octo, what would that imply?

      -Saruteito is 16th generation. Guessing Charette had a pretty notable family.

      -We have another Yanera. What is mothy's obsession with those guys that convinced him to bring them back in every arc set after Prefactio?

      "In Deadly Sins of Evil: The Tailor of Enbizaka, the Sudou name is written in kanji as 首藤 in Japanese kanji, using the kanji for "head" and "wisteria", respectively; Kayo Sudou, its most prominent member, was beheaded." .... MOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

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    • Malice Twiright wrote:

      -So, we now have an Adrimal Perry stand-in. Octo, what would that imply?

      I don't know why you're asking me to explain it, but if it is a standin for Admiral Perry then it probably means that mothy's going to be making a parallel to Japan being made to open up its harbors to the rest of the world (albeit with Marlon behind it.) It makes sense for him to bring up in this novel Jakoku being in a transition period from its traditional ways to the Axis Power Parallel it becomes by Nemesis' time.

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    • Okay, but now I want to see Ichika attempt to draw him: http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/8/8b/Matthew_Calbraith_Perry.jpg

      Like dang.


      Also, I think they were asking you Octo, because you're a history buff (?).


      EDIT: I MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE! THIS PICTURE IS TOO LARGE! PERRY IS GOING TO OVERTAKE THIS WIKI!


      EDIT: I used a different picture now.

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    • He doesn't look like Perry, unfortunately.

      Anyhow, here's some info the profiles give:

      • Kokutan-douji might actually be living with Kayo herself.
      • Gakusha wears his basket at all times to hide his burns.
      • Kai’s a racial mix of Marlon and Jakokuese parents.
      • Kai has a burn on the back of his left hand (just like Gakusha).
      • Mei married Kai at 16; wears a red kimono Kai made.
      • Miku and Rin are Kai and Mei’s daughters.
      • Miku’s dating Kiji Yarera though her father’s not pleased about it.
      • Saruteito’s the 16th head of the Lang family; possibly an inherited name for each generation.
      • Kiji Yarera is an Elphe employee of the Yarera Zusco Firm.
      • Inukichi is from the same village as Kokutan-douji; has little knowledge of foreign countries.
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    • So Inukichi's Kokutan's childhood friend then? It would explain why he'd come with him. Guess we'll have to get the summaries though XP

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    • Hehehe good job Miku, give your poor father a hard time lol


      That's really cute that Kai made Mei her kimono, means its one of a kind.

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    • So wait, they're not adopted?

      Oh god Kai made it for her I'm dead bury me

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    • I believe it also says that Mei would sometimes ask Kayo to help out with their shop too. The Mirokus seem to be associates of her at least.

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    • that's odd, wouldn't Kayo know Kai isn't her husband then?

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      that's odd, wouldn't Kayo know Kai isn't her husband then?

      Given she's quite obviously delusional even in her song, logic and mental illness, especially one induced by trauma, do not go hand in hand. Add into the mix a demon and it doesn't matter.

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    • 67.65.249.100 wrote:

      Given she's quite obviously delusional even in her song, logic and mental illness, especially one induced by trauma, do not go hand in hand. Add into the mix a demon and it doesn't matter.

      That tells us why Kayo wouldn't recognize him as who he really is but it leaves the question of why Kai didn't recognize her unless he hadn't seen her after she swapped bodies with Ma 

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    • 67.65.249.100 wrote:
      Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      that's odd, wouldn't Kayo know Kai isn't her husband then?
      Given she's quite obviously delusional even in her song, logic and mental illness, especially one induced by trauma, do not go hand in hand. Add into the mix a demon and it doesn't matter.

      Yeah you're probably right

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    • PrincessAcedia wrote:
      67.65.249.100 wrote:

      Given she's quite obviously delusional even in her song, logic and mental illness, especially one induced by trauma, do not go hand in hand. Add into the mix a demon and it doesn't matter.

      That tells us why Kayo wouldn't recognize him as who he really is but it leaves the question of why Kai didn't recognize her unless he hadn't seen her after she swapped bodies with Ma 

      Maybe, I mean she swaps in the beginning

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    • PrincessAcedia wrote:
      67.65.249.100 wrote:

      Given she's quite obviously delusional even in her song, logic and mental illness, especially one induced by trauma, do not go hand in hand. Add into the mix a demon and it doesn't matter.

      That tells us why Kayo wouldn't recognize him as who he really is but it leaves the question of why Kai didn't recognize her unless he hadn't seen her after she swapped bodies with Ma 

      Eh, I think you're reading too much into it. People can look like completely different people depending on how they dress and hold themselves, so he might not have recognized her even as the pink-haired Kayo. Or there's far more to the encounter than we realized.

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    • Might be he didn't recognize her in those clothes and in the dark.

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    • Let's not forget SCP's casual implication that something akin to hypnosis was used to make everyone forget Kayo originally had black hair. There likely something supernatural at work, whether it be just swapping bodies or mass brainwashing.

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    • Or maybe Kai just never happened to be in when Kayo was around? They were just business partners, so maybe Kai just wasn't around when Kayo came over, and it was always Mei she interacted with. That happening every single time would be odd, but it's POSSIBLE.

      Or maybe Kai didn't treat her as a literal stranger, but DID treat her like she was just an aquaintance, like that one neighbor down the street you occasionally talk to but otherwise ignore.

      Then again this is Evillious so it probably is just demons.

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    • So, this was pointed out on Tumblr, but Envy actually kind of reminds me of how Prim was drawn. Just as a thing I noticed. o:

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    • Kai is quoted as saying (in the song): 「はじめましてこんにちは」 when he runs into Kayo, or rather when Kayo confronts him. He's saying "Hello, nice to meet you" which is a greeting one would give to a stranger is it not?

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    • It can be translated as simply "how do you do" as well. It's not strictly a greeting you make to strangers, at least as far as dictionaries are concerned. The point is Kai is treating her like they're not husband and wife, dearly beloveds. He's treating her like she's another person he happened to meet on the street.

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    • Maybe the lyrics are simply outdated and it's simply not as easy to fix as Abandonment's outdated lyrics over in the OSS part of things? Servant of Evil's lyrics DO imply that Allen killed Michaela which we all know isn't the case, and Conchita's song does a terrible job getting the BaniCarlos thing across since obviously it wasn't written yet. It's actually pretty likely that mothy's changed details in the process of actually writing the Enbizaka story, especially since he hasn't touched it at all up until SC&P.

      Maybe when mothy first wrote the song he intended for them to be complete strangers, but perhaps since then he changed it to "vaguely know each other". I don't know, let's wait for someone to post novel details.

      Edit: Of course, this is just me reading into it too much. The results are the same either way.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      It can be translated as simply "how do you do" as well. It's not strictly a greeting you make to strangers, at least as far as dictionaries are concerned. The point is Kai is treating her like they're not husband and wife, dearly beloveds. He's treating her like she's another person he happened to meet on the street.

      And the word kayo uses "tannin" can be translated as "any other person"

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    • Made some avis for the Mirokus.

      AviKai
      AviMei
      AviMiku
      AviRin
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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Snip

      These potential avatars for the Mirokus should work... if they're smaller to fit their profiles.

      EDIT: That's better

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    • I translated the titles of the chapters (also Octo's sister too):

      Chapter 1: The Tale of the Scissors
      Chapter 2: The Tale of the Monk
      Chapter 3: The Tale of Kokutan
      Chapter 4: The Tale of the Mermaid
      Chapter 5: The Tale of Enbizaka

      Extra Chapter: The Tale of the Judge

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    • Seven-Colored Puppeteer wrote:
      Maybe the lyrics are simply outdated and it's simply not as easy to fix as Abandonment's outdated lyrics over in the OSS part of things? Servant of Evil's lyrics DO imply that Allen killed Michaela which we all know isn't the case, and Conchita's song does a terrible job getting the BaniCarlos thing across since obviously it wasn't written yet. It's actually pretty likely that mothy's changed details in the process of actually writing the Enbizaka story, especially since he hasn't touched it at all up until SC&P.

      Maybe when mothy first wrote the song he intended for them to be complete strangers, but perhaps since then he changed it to "vaguely know each other". I don't know, let's wait for someone to post novel details.

      Edit: Of course, this is just me reading into it too much. The results are the same either way.

      That's the thing with SoE, though: it IMPLIES it. Which means it's not necessarily true. I can IMPLY a lot of things, but ou assuming it's true is on you and can lead to a case of mistaken perception. A lot of narratives rely on this for surprise twists. That doesn't make them bad, either.

      Also, Conchita's song seemed less like it was from Conchita's actual perspective and more about the legend surrounding her.

      Mothy's a master of misdirection, but he's rarely outright contrdicted himself in his actual writing in the series aside from Abandonment.

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    • If Ichika does put our colored illustration it'd be better to use those, and I think the back of the novel could hold up for Rin and Mei

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    • IT'S OFFICAL! THE LOVER IS KAITO!

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    • What?

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    • TomboyJessie13 wrote:
      IT'S OFFICAL! THE LOVER IS KAITO!

      State your proof.

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    • I'm really happy Ichika kept with how Tamara drew Ma and Kayo with different hairstyles with Ma's being longer and messier with the addition of an ahoge

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    • NinjaClockworker wrote: Snip

      So, I'd assume then with the pictures then that pics 1 and 2 are in Chapter 1, Chapter 2 has the third, Chapter 3 has 4, Chapter 4 has 5, 6 and maybe 7 and Chapter 5 has the last two. Adds up.

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    • Which lover are we talkng about here because if it's Kai then.... Of course? He's been a Kaito from the start. It's not really a revelation.

      If we're talking Kayo's ACTUAL husband then that's something else.

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    • I'd just like to point out in terms of the lyrics issue that はじめまして is not something you say to someone you've already met.

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    • DaughteroftheforestCourt1 wrote:
      TomboyJessie13 wrote:
      IT'S OFFICAL! THE LOVER IS KAITO!
      State your proof.

      Blue hair, Name, face

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    • Jessie, we all thought you meant her actual lover. 

      Because Kaito being her fake lover has been evident from the beginning.

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    • TFW when the suspense for when the full summaries start is killing you ;w;

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    • I like the reveals so far but I'm still waiting for something ground-breaking

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    • Octofan wrote:
      Jessie, we all thought you meant her actual lover. 

      Because Kaito being her fake lover has been evident from the beginning.

      I thought it was fan-made back in the day

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    • Kai being represented by Kaito has been hinted at since the song PV came out, but was only explicitly confirmed during the SCaP story.

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    • so will we be putting "Marlon-Jakokuese" or vice versa on Kai's page?

      I don't think we've ever had a distinctly biracial character. When two different raced characters have a kid, they tend to be one or the other... hell we even have two Lucifenians making a Marlon.

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Kai being represented by Kaito has been hinted at since the song PV came out, but was only explicitly confirmed during the SCaP story.

      Ah ok

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    • Ney's is because she was born in Marlon, wasn't it?

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    • Technically speaking, the common citizenship law is, legally speaking, where one was born. Since Kai had Jakokunease name and presumably was born in Jakoku, he'd be a Jakoku citizen.

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    • We're not talking about citizenship, we're discussing the infobox section for race. Ney's race in the Fanbook was listed as Marlon and her nationality was listed as Marlon, which even today nobody understands why her race was different from both her parents.

      In Kai's case, he looks Marlon and has a Marlon parent, so I'd rather we