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    21:20, December 9, 2014

    This thread is for the discussion of the above name light novel and all changes related to the wiki in these first few weeks should first be brought forward, debated, and decided upon here. Feel free to also use this to discuss theories, give praises,  or vent frustrations about the light novel or its contents.

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    • Margaritaavatar2
      To keep things off a bad note, I'll suggest giving Margarita a new avatar to coincide with the new cover. A little bit of editing and I got something. I think it's better than the night time lighting and open mouth we currently have for her.
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    • Meh, I'm too lazy to find any objections. I approve the change.


      (Seriously though, the image is better than the current one, even though it doesn't really show that "crazy" side of Margarita. :P)

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    • Love the new avatar it looks so much better. Also english title, *does monokuma sexy dance* I told you so!

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    • Sloth Sinner wrote:

      (Seriously though, the image is better than the current one, even though it doesn't really show that "crazy" side of Margarita. :P)

      If I didn't know any better, I'd think it was some sort of romance novel (actually, you never know; it might).

      The name's a disappointment but it was somewhat expected. mothy did imply he stumbled upon the wiki looking for English names for this novel so that's that.

      Edit: An interesting tagline for the ad (besides the fact the series has reached DoE's milestone of 1 mil+ copies sold) is that it promises that "the mystery of the Demon of Sloth is revealed".

      Pre-ordering will also have the book come with a "newly written short story" by mothy. I've got mine pre-ordered at amazon so I'm crossing my fingers there won't be any issues with shipping.

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    • I honestly wouldn't be surprised at anything after the Banica/Carlos reveal. For all we know, Margarita/Four the ??? might end up sailing.

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    • Please for the love of all that is good, replace the old avatar.
      Sure. I like it. ㅇㅅㅇ

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    • If I don't see any objections, we'll keep it as the new infobox image then.

      I mean I can't think of any huge mystery about the Demon of Sloth, unless you count the awakened Clockworker's Doll/MotC's ambiguous identity as part of that. Unless the mystery would focus on the vessels' unknown powers; that's elluded fans for quite a while.

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    • I think maybe part of the mystery is why the Demon is so fixated on Eve Moonlit and by extension, Miku characters and Margarita in general.

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    • Maybe the mystery will be revealing exactly how the demons, including Sloth, were made?

      Or maybe it's just something Mikulia-related which we didn't translate yet.

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    • Scarletta Agni wrote:
      I think maybe part of the mystery is why the Demon is so fixated on Eve Moonlit and by extension, Miku characters and Margarita in general.

      That might be it, though when taken in context, it might be the demons in general who have an affinity for Eve; Mikulia's the only one we know of to have a Demon of Sin possess her while in the womb and influence her growth and development (which also indirectly affected Platonic).

      Ma implies in Evils Kingdom that the origin of the Demon of Sloth in the Original Sin was Eve's neglect which caused her children to die, although how much of that is true is hard to gauge given (a) it's Ma and (b) Eve's children were born dead supposedly due to Adam's mistake, not her.

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    • NO ONE WILL FIND OUT MAH MYSTERY! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!


      At least until they read the novel orz

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    • Sloth Sinner wrote:
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      Ichika says its her favorite of the light novels so far, but she's also the one who said Margarita's now the scariest for her. So it's either a really good read or getting a little over-hyped by its artist. XD

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    • Servant of Evillious
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    • So... Ma suggest that Demon of sloth is Eve's neglet and Gammon suggest that Demon of Greed is Adam dying wish... Maybe all the demons are just incarnations of abstract part of the Original Sin Story ?

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    • 89.156.125.31 wrote:
      So... Ma suggest that Demon of sloth is Eve's neglet and Gammon suggest that Demon of Greed is Adam dying wish... Maybe all the demons are just incarnations of abstract part of the Original Sin Story ?

      To be specific, Ma implies that's what the origin of the Original Sin (ie, each of the Demons of Sin). To quote the booklet:

      "She depended on the love she had with her husband. She had been conceited in her wish coming true.
      Because she didn’t do what she had to, her neglected children died. She envied people who were happy.
      Soon, it turned into rage. She wanted what she had lost.
      And then, in her hunger, she picked up those fruits."

      It's subtle but you can find Lust, Pride, Sloth, Envy, Wrath, Greed, and Gluttony all being at least hinted there. We know Venom brainwashed Eve into her loved for Adam (much like Venomania's lust powers), but Adam also blames it as a "miscalculation" for why the twins were born dead (and "ruining" Eve).

      So like Agni says, it could be a mystery about the Demon of Sloth's affinity for Eve, or it could be Ma's lying/misleading the audience again about the origin of the sins in Eve and the Demon of Sloth just so happens to end up with a bunch of Mikus.

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    • I think the cover is pretty cool, Ichika never ceases to amaze me, her art is that beautiful.

      -Tomboy Jessie

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    • I find it rather plain and boring actually. Ichika's work is hit or miss for me. This time it's a miss. I hope the back cover and inside covers are a little more interesting.

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    • It might not be the most eye-catching cover (the most eye-catching thing is that beautiful shade of blue on the band that runs across the bottom of the book  whatever its called =ヮ= ) but it's better than any pictures we've had so far of MarMar. >u>


      With that said. Pretty pictures, pls.

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    • That thing is called an ad label (at least that's what I call it XD). I'm actually surprised that was shown part of the print. That's typically been omitted from those kinds of things. Hopefully some pics will crop up without it.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      I find it rather plain and boring actually. Ichika's work is hit or miss for me. This time it's a miss. I hope the back cover and inside covers are a little more interesting.

      I really like Margarita on the cover... but aside from her, it's really boring. I mean... just a few buildings on the side... the sky...

      Maybe they could have put in scenes of destruction either her way or by her special friends? Maybe Caspar facing the other way? Julia? Flying newspaper pages containing news of the results of her poisonings? Combinations of the mentioned  ideas above?

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    • I can't get past the unnatural slanted figure with her completely straight body. I know the effect Ichika was going for and I don't think it worked out, tbh.

      I'm hoping we'll see Julia and Caspar on the back cover. If no one else, they deserve a spot. Throw in Elluka and/or Gumillia on the inside covers with Lemy somewhere in the mix.

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    • I gotta agree with Scarletta here. Although I do like the color schemes and Margarita on the cover it seems a bit bland compared to some of Ichika's other works. Though I really like of their being a nice beautiful front cover and a dark destructive back cover for the book, that'd seem really cool.

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    • I think it looks good. Margy's avatar was getting a bit outdated, anyways.

      ˢᵗᶦᶫᶫ ʷᶦˢʰ ᴷᵃʸᵒ ʷᵒᵘᶫᵈ ᵍᵉᵗ ᵃ ᶰᵉʷ ᵃᵛᵃᵗᵃʳ ᵇᵘᵗ ⁼ ʷ ⁼

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    • I approve the avatar ouo;

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    • Okay! Just please don't make me look too ugly or creepy -Miku

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    • We're talking about Margarita, not you Miku. ;P

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      Anyhow, seems we're at least going to get Julia on the front inside cover, if this twitter background from the PR twitter is any indication.

      I almost missed her behind the avi icon. Unfortunately, her eyes seem to be covered and her expression is cut off. Still, it's nice to see Irina still wearing her black cloaks every now and again.

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    • Yeah, but just saying because, I voiced Margarita -miku

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    • Nice to see Julia X3 (Come to think of it, wasn't she wearing that kind of cloak in the Gift pv, the person with the red nails?) I guess this would be what she wears when she's doing illicit activities and not dressing up as Santa? As a millionaire she might be too famous to just go wherever she wants <o<

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      [Snipped because you weren't going to do it Servant of Evillious (talk) 23:05, August 7, 2014 (UTC) ]

      Dude, we all know what Ichika's interpretation of MEIKO or in this case Germaine Avadonia looks like, why censor her eyes? It's not like she's a new character or anything it's still the same Red Swordswoman we know and loved...just with a red(bitch) cat on her shoulder.

      -Tomboy Jessie

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    • Octofan wrote:
      Nice to see Julia X3 (Come to think of it, wasn't she wearing that kind of cloak in the Gift pv, the person with the red nails?)

      I was thinking the same thing. Like you said, it could be she does it to move more discreetly; I'm sure anyone would recognize a celebrity, especially if this turns out to be a time period where (at least) primitive cameras are invented for newspapers.

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    • With the release of The Muzzle of Nemesis and its contents, I have a feeling our final chapter will Gallerian will have to do a bit with all the Pere Noel parallels now involved in both stories.

      At least I hope so; it'd be disappointing if we'd have to wait for the Pierrot novel six months from now to get any elaboration on that. XD

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    • Smart mothy. He knew that the novels that are being released would probably tell away that it wasn't Gumillia, so he released the song just before the novel. :P

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    • That's our mothy :)

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    • Sloth Sinner wrote:
      Smart mothy. He knew that the novels that are being released would probably tell away that it wasn't Gumillia, so he released the song just before the novel. :P

      He typically has his releases overlap a bit into each other.

      The Daughter of Fog was also released six months prior to the Lunacy novel, with BSS coming just a month before it, and then OSS Act 2 came next after Lunacy teased about its contents. The list goes on.

      Personally, I think the Veno descendant from HY was a teaser for VI. the Samurai appearing in this or the Pierrot novel. I hope we see him in this one though, if only to know who he is. XD

      ________________

      Muzzle sloth
      Edit:

      I think another interesting thing to note is that Margarita's illustration in The Muzzle of Nemesis shows what looks to be gas clouds in the air.

      mothy's new playlist gives a description that it's a strange "disease".

      So, I wonder if Margarita somehow made her Gift an airborn toxin and caused a pandemic in Toragay, explaining why they cut off any movements toward the city and how Margarita could poison everyone without being caught: quarantine.

      This may be my wild guess, but if Caspar dies, doesn't that mean Margarita would naturally inherit her husband's estate and titles, making her essentially the Riliane of Toragay? In that case, she could enforce a quarantine with military force if she wanted to, forcing everyone to stay in town and die off of the "epidemic".

      It's just my wild speculation but that's what I'm thinking.

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    • Maybe that's why Ichika said she was the scariest of the sinners, because she could be pretending to be really kind (For the sake of your happiness) but she in truth is even more evil than Riliane  or Gallerian

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    • This would be suitably scary, especially if everyone figured out what was going on but weren't able to leave because of her 8C It's possible she could get subordinates on her side to enforce the quarantine using whatever method she sees fit.

      Technically, though, those gas clouds could be regular clouds as part of a gloomy atmosphere on Toragay, though it's sunny on the cover....It could be possible. ouo It's also possible she gave the medicine to people to help fight the "disease" although that ruse would run down really quick.  

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    • One issue I see though is Margarita's own life. If she made a contract like Banica or Sateriasis, you'd think she'd be able to survive her own poison (the previous examples included the demons making the chars somewhat immortal). However, it wouldn't explain why she could be able to commit suicide afterward with it.

      At the same time, if it was just a possession and she wasn't contracted to the demon (and had no benefits to the possession) she'd be risking dying of her own airborn poison.

      It'd be interesting to see what Ichika finds so scary about Margarita (and hopefully it's not something the rest of us will find silly XD).

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    • Like someone else suggested, maybe in that particular case she mixed Wrath shavings into the medicine :P

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    • I guess that considering what we know about the demons, it wouldn't be hard for her to survive the poison. But she would need A LOT of vaporized gift for it to actually reach the entire town. And it could possibly even leave the town itself and contaminate surrounding areas, if that was the case. It's a gas, you can't control its direction (unless the Demon of Sloth has air powers).

      If people began to notice it, maybe the DoS could hypnotize other people (like cops) to restrain everyone who goes against Margarita. That way everyone would panic but it would be all pointless, since they'd die anyway. I mentioned that she would hypnotize other people since I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to blindly follow Margarita's orders if there's a possibility that she's going to kill them.

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    • Very true, though it'd be interesting if the demon has powers involving the air given its Chrono Story name "Sloth the Wind".

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    • I was doing some checking and noticed a pun with the Gine Doll and its Nechuna wood.

      For one, Gine (when reversing the katakana) is "Negi" (Green Onions).

      For another, regarding Nechuna, I noticed that our website profiles in the translation compendium have "Nechuha" (ネチュハ). I guess somewhere down the line it got misprinted in the wiki and stuck. We'll have to change it to match the acutal katakana.

      However, when you reverse them, the characters spell "Hachune", which sounds like a reference to Hachune Miku (the joke character that wields a green onion).

      I think we should add these two wordplays to trivia for Sin of Sloth and Master of the Court. Anyone disagree?

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    • I do not disagree oUo

      I feel sad though because Nechuha is harder to say out loud. :C

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    • The Misstress agrees

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    • Already changed the nechunas to nechuhas :D

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    • Dany! agrees.

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    • Okei. The Resident agrees as well.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      I was doing some checking and noticed a pun with the Gine Doll and its Nechuna wood.

      For one, Gine (when reversing the katakana) is "Negi" (Green Onions).

      For another, regarding Nechuna, I noticed that our website profiles in the translation compendium have "Nechuha" (ネチュハ). I guess somewhere down the line it got misprinted in the wiki and stuck. We'll have to change it to match the acutal katakana.

      However, when you reverse them, the characters spell "Hachune", which sounds like a reference to Hachune Miku (the joke character that wields a green onion).

      I think we should add these two wordplays to trivia for Sin of Sloth and Master of the Court. Anyone disagree?

      I like, didn't really get the play on words until you told me that...ha ha ha ha! Imagen if Hachune cosplay as MOTC? XD

      -Tomboy Jessie

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:

      It'd be interesting to see what Ichika finds so scary about Margarita (and hopefully it's not something the rest of us will find silly XD).

      I read on TV Tropes that Ichika said that after working on the illustrations. Perhaps Margarita will pull some Arte and Pollo level Nightmare Faces in the novel? Or Nightmare Faces that are worse than Arte and Pollo's seeing as Ichika never seemed to complain about them?

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    • Or maybe she just did something really horrible that Ichika wasn't expecting. :P

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    • What if Ichika's scared of sleeping because of all her late-nighters in order to make deadlines? ;p

      All right. I'm giving the trivia a pass.

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    • The PV and the novel tweets say that the site is out. I keep refreshing the page and get errors. So I tried hacking it and I'll just be posting here what I got for the profile information for each character:

      Hanne Loulé (ハンネ  ローレ)


      エルフェゴート国の首都アケイドにあるシュブルク新聞社で働く記者。若々しさを保っているハンネの実年齢は、見た目よりも遥かに上。

      Margarita Blankenheim

      カスパルの妻で、医者の娘。生まれた時から「眠らない」という特殊な体質を持つ。魔道師・エルルカ=クロックワーカーという友人がいる。

      Heidemarie Loulé (ハイデマリー  ローレ)

      世界警察マーロン本部の国際実働部「ユステア」に所属する捜査官。ハンネの妹。無表情で口数も少ないためクールに見えるが気性は激しい。

      Caspar Blankenheim

      エルフェゴート国・トラゲイの領主。マルガリータと籍を入れているにもかかわらず何人もの愛人を囲い、財産を娯楽に使用していた。

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    • Oh I just had a crappy internet connection. The last char is apparently Caspar.


      And the Gumi in this arc...

      ...

      Had a sister.

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    • I'm pretty sure that Hanne is Elluka and that GUMI character with a weird name is Gumillia. So they pretended to be sisters? And Elluka got a new body? BUT WAIT - WHAT ABOUT KAYO? :O

      I mean, I was pretty sure that was Elluka because... Well, it's the same character that appeared on that sketch that we got >_>


      Edit: So Margarita had some "sleepless" disease or something since the time she was born or something? Of course I'm using google translate so it's hard to understand what's on those sentences.

      Also, Margarita also seemed to have been friends with Elluka in the past. The more you know.

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    • I LITERALLY STARTED SHRIEKING AS PANTING AS I SAW IT, MY BROTHER GOT SUPER CONFUSED AND I HAD TO RUN A COUPLE OF LAPS AROUND MY HOUSE TO CALM DOWN!

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    • The more I think about it, the less sense it makes if Hanne and sis are Elluka and Gumillia. I don't know why I jumped to that conclusion in the first place. I mean, the PV clearly shows that Elluka is still in Lukana's body by the time the incident was over...

      Welp, I'm confused about their identities.

      I'm also pretty disappointed. We only have 4 character profiles. That's... Quite sad.

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    • So margy was not only friends with Julia but with Elluka

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    • My interpretation is that it's just Elluka with dyed hair.

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    • If my interpretation of the tweets are right, he also says this novel will be somewhat of a sequel to Flower of the Plateau, which will be very very interesting.

      F+5'd a bit and the website popped up. Trailer's up too.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZrQ4sMijXY

      Elluka and Gumillia seem to be the two investigators. Interestingly enough, Elluka's got green hair. Is she disgusing herself as an Elphe? Doesn't seem like a body swap imo.

      I'm really surprised we only have four profiles and Julia's not one of them.

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    • Does it say so, it seems more to me like they aren't.

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    • Then again, a lot of people on Tumblr have interpreted that since Gumillia and Elluka seem to arrive right at the end, too late, Hanne and Heidemarie are two completely different characters. 

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Does it say so, it seems more to me like they aren't.

      I put Irina as a typo instead of Gumillia. Fixed.

      I'm curious if Margarita's "mage friend Elluka Clockworker" is actually Julia.

      Hanne is a newspaper report for the シュブルク (Shuburuku; Shuburke?) Newspaper Company in Aceid. Despite her apparant youthfulness, she's much older than she looks.

      Heidemarie is the Investigative Chief of the International Work (Force?) Department ユステア (Yusutea; Yustea?) of the World Police Marlon Headquarters.

      ^ I may have butchered Gumillia Heidemarie's extremely long title. The "work" portion means "actual work" definition wise but search results seem to relate it to police forces. I also can't tell if it means the entire organization's headquarters is in Marlon or just their department's headquarters. Still, it seems pretty clear otherwise.

      Hanne's described as being older than her youthful appearance may give off and Heide is said to be cool and not very talkative but has a fierce temper (as well as that they're sisters).

      ローレ has multiple potential translations. There's the municipality of Loulé, the surname of an American actor, Lorre, who is famous for the German horror film M (Austria-Hungarian descent), and a composer named Rorre that was active in Italy during the Renaissance.

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    • Okay, have I gone colorblind, or is Elluka suddenly an Elphe?

      On the black and white promo thing, Elluka seems pretty much the same, but with a different hair style and clothes (Of course with time, that's bound to happen)

      I think Elluka dyed her hair so she wouldn't be suspicious to any other people (Elphes are probably still a bit racist, so they would logically be suspicious of a foreigner with pink hair.)

      And she and Gumillia pulled an Irina and changed their names to join Père Noël without alerting Julia, and are posing as sisters.

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    • Scarletta Agni wrote:
      Snip.

      That's all believable. I did notice though that Elluka also has green eyes. It's possible she's made an arrangement to borrow someone's body. It's possible that she also had contact lenses though. I'm no expert on the time and mothy could write it in.

      The fact that Margarita has a mage named "Elluka Clockworker" for a friend though makes me suspicious that Irina's deceived Margarita even more than we thought.

      And given we now have personalit traits, I think it's a pretty safe assumption these "sisters" are Elluka and Gumillia.

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    • I was thinking "Maybe Elluka swapped bodies with an Elphe woman, and swapped back after Margarita was done with her rampage", but then I thought how ridiculous that sounded.

      Like "Oh hello, ma'am, I'm a sorceress and I'm trying to steal a doll possessed by a malevolent demon from Marquees Margarita Blankenheim, can I please have your body, I swear I'll give it back" and this hypothetical Elphe lady was crazy/dumb enough to say yes.

      Even if you just shorten it to "Can I please have your body, I swear I'll give it back" it sounds crazy.

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    • Well, the trailer decription had plot details, either way.

      記者ハンネ=ローレが取材に訪れたエルフェゴート国。
      取材の一環として訪れたブランケンハイムの屋敷にて彼女を待ち受けていたのは、
      眠っているかのように穏やかな表情をした2つの死体だった。
      「この事件はこれで終わりではない」
      そう確信したハンネが事件の調査を進める裏で、【怠惰】の悪魔も静かに動き出す――。

      Roughly:

      Elphegort reporter Hanne Lorre came for an interview ("collecting data for a newspaper").

      What awaited her when she visited the Blankenheim Mansion as part of the interview were two corpses with a peaceful expression as if they were asleep.

      "This isn't the end of this case"

      While Hanne was so confident in starting to move her investigation into the case behind the scenes, the Demon of Sloth also began to start moving peacefully---

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:

      That's all believable. I did notice though that Elluka also has green eyes. It's possible she's made an arrangement to borrow someone's body. It's possible that she also had contact lenses though. I'm no expert on the time and mothy could write it in.

      Hanne's eyes seem the same as Elluka's (in Lukana's body). The hair makes them look greener, but I think they are the same shade (comparing it with Elluka's Conchita profile). I might be wrong, of course, but I think Lukana's eyes have always been a shade of green or aqua...

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    • But hanne's hair is shorter

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    • Giving it a second look, I can see what you mean, anon. Lukana's eyes look like a teal or aqua too so maybe it is consistent for Elluka here, assuming she's Hanne.

      Hanne's hair looks like it's done up in a bun in the back to me so saying her hair's "shorter" doesn't float in my boat, personally.

      We also don't know if Elluka's bodies still perform bodily functions. She still eats and sleeps and can apparently get bags under her eyes. Growing and cutting her hair might still be a thing for her.

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    • I thought it was a pony tail, i didn't notice it was a bun until you pointed it out

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    • this fandom needs our version of this gif media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6xp7mkvRE1rq4xsa.gif like i'm not even joking we need it

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    • So just to get this question out of the way, will we be adding Hanne and her sissy as minor characters on the Sloth list, or are we assuming for now that they're Elluka and Gumillia?

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    • Tbh, I think it's really obvious they're Elluka and Gumillia but I'm neutral on the topic.

      We can treat them as separate characters for now in a minor char list and then throw their info into the Elluka and Gumillia pages once the novel comes out (in less than two weeks) and we can personally confirm it.

      At the same time, I personally think it's a safe assumption to throw them on the articles for now.

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    • Servy looks pretty sure they're Elluka and Gumillia. I agree with it 99%. I don't recommend it though.


      I was 99.9% sure "Kept Waiting for a Response" is canon. 

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    • I also agree on them being Elluka and Gumillia, tbh. And if they're not, well, the incorrect information won't be on the wiki for more than a couple of weeks anyways, considering these details are the first to leak on Japanese blogs and forums.

      On another note, after watching the PV a couple of times, I can finally pinpoint why cover Margarita looked so weird to me. I think the "wink" she does was probably designed for her to look literally half asleep and half awake (as seen in 0:38 in the PV), but it looks just  odd when seen on the same face.

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    • DemonDamian wrote:
      On another note, after watching the PV a couple of times, I can finally pinpoint why cover Margarita looked so weird to me. I think the "wink" she does was probably designed for her to look literally half asleep and half awake (as seen in 0:38 in the PV), but it looks just  odd when seen on the same face.

      I noticed that too, and I think the wink's fine. What bugs me is that Ichika gave her a stylistic tilt (I guess to emphasize the "uneasiness" of the character/situation) while her back is physcially straight. It makes her pose look odd and I don't think it gave off the effect she wanted.

      Edit her straight and I don't think it looks half bad.

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    • When looking for a translation for シュブルク, I came across with this name: "ヴィンフリート・レーシュブルク" (Winfried Löschburg)...

      So since the last name has シュブルク on it, and if we shorten it, we come out with "Schburg".

      If anyone has more suggestions, go ahead.

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    • MaxusFox23 wrote:
      Snip.

      I'v always seen Schuburg, Schuberg, Schuburk, Schuburke, and other variations.

      Doesn't seem we'll be having an easy one for which is best to use.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:

      I'v always seen Schuburg, Schuberg, Schuburk, Schuburke, and other variations.

      Doesn't seem we'll be having an easy one for which is best to use.

      Yep, I came across with those too...

      For some reason, the Pride arc's name were easier to translate... Vive la France! XD

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    • Indeed.

      Also, the fact mothy's associating this with Flower of the Plateau implies, in my mind, a connection between Margarita and Mikulia.

      If mothy wants to really get it all tied together in a nice little knot, Platonic (and maybe Margaret) will be thrown into there as well.

      I wouldn't be surprised if Margarita's "Sleepless" condition is directly related to Platonic and the Demon of Sloth (those sequels always have connections).

      I think we're also likely to get the Prim-Julia connection with Gift. I can't imagine Abyss I.R. spent all that time with the Queen and never felt interested in learning about her family's knowledge of medicines and poisons (especially since EFEC shows her taking interest in Lord Hedgehog's "torture" concept).

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      Edit: So Margarita had some "sleepless" disease or something since the time she was born or something? Of course I'm using google translate so it's hard to understand what's on those sentences.

      I decided to check sleep disorders as some trivia content and this popped out : Fatal familial insomnia

      After reading it, somehow fits Margarita. Now makes me wonder if the Demon of Sloth could've affect her before being born (like with Mikulia) by giving her this "condition", and being potentiated via HER (if she has it)...

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    • Would be glad to be proven wrong, but I believe the HER potential in the Greeonio bloodline died with Mikulia's son with the Duke. Unless there's a explanation for her (and the other harem members) being able to pass it onto anyone themselves rather than through the Duke who actually manipulated the vessel, I don't think Margarita could have HER by anything except natural causes.

      We don't know how long Margarita and Julia knew each other and this "Elluka Clockworker" she knows sounds suspicious. I think possession before birth is possible. If she's descendant from  Mikulia and/or Platonic though, the leftover Sloth magic may have been passed onto her.

      My only issue is that it sounds counter-productive for a Demon of Sloth to have someone under its influence develop "Sleepless" instead of "Sleepyness", imo. Maybe it's just another made up condition mothy came up with, like HER and serves as a plot point for Margarita's inevitable possession and genocide?

      Actually, we don't even know if she made a contract with the demon or not. That'll be interesting to find out.

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    • I'm not saying that Margarita has HER, but I don't think it's that odd for her to have it. I mean, Mikulia didn't manipulate any vessel... She WAS the vessel itself for some time. I'd think that might have increased the odds of her babies to be HER even though she wasn't possessed by the demon anymore.

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    • That's true. That could be the case.

      Regarding the new short story, PHP's got an advertisement for an email registration. I hope we'll be having a hard copy mailed to us and this is just an optional case (Waltz also had this and I had assumed it was for Heavenly Yard.... I'd be said if we missed some content....) .

      Anyhow, after the novel release, there's supposedly a promo code and stuff for registration. I don't remember this being the case for Waltz so I can't say how it works out. Supposedly we should be getting an email if we register during that period and there aren't any issues with the delivery (though a person can only have it mailed to them once).

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    • SHould Pere noel get the same treatment as apocalypse?

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      SHould Pere noel get the same treatment as apocalypse?

      I would wait, honestly. Muzzle's really new and leaves things way too ambiguous. For all we know, Gallerian only had Nemesis as a hitman and went by a codename in reference to the organization.

      Either way, I think we should add trivia regarding the references, if not a little bit of an Aftermath for the organization regarding it.


      Also, since we haven't reached concensus yet, I want to add to Octo's point about a minor character list. Should we give one for Gift yet or wait til we have more characters?

      I personally feel like there are too few to give it its own page, even if we add the Lorre sisters.

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    • Yeah i think we should wait i mean Greed/wrath doesn't even have it's own page yet

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    • I think that a new page is not necessary for now. I'm neutral for the Lorre sisters, so I'll support whatever gets the most votes. XD

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    • /cough

      I'm with waiting, then, Iguess. 0^0

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    • All right. Since we seem to have some mixed opinions, we'll hold out on assuming Hanne and Heide are Ellu and Gumi for now. Once the light novel releases in 11 days, we can confirm or deny it and move forward from there.

      I'll also give a pass on us not adding a unique page for the Sloth list until we have a more substantial list taking up space on the SDS minor char page.

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    • On an unrelated note, you think the name "Hanne Lorre" is a pun on "Hannelore"?

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    • CJCroen1393 wrote:
      On an unrelated note, you think the name "Hanne Lorre" is a pun on "Hannelore"?

      I don't think so, Hannelore is a given name, not an object or anything. Hanne Lorre is her full name.

      I would also like to say that Heidemarie's name is composed of Heide/Heidi and Marie.

      Heide is short for Adelheid, which means "noble" or "aristocratic". *cough*

      Marie is the German form of Mary, which has many meanings, but I think the Hebrew would best fit with Heidemarie's personality: bitterness or rebelliousness.

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    • I agree with Ninja that Hanne's name doesn't seem to be a pun, at least on any combined name.

      Having done some research on Heidemarie yesterday, I don't see too much that really sticks out for name meanings. Heide generally means "Little Miss" while marie can be a variety of things which casts the net pretty wide.

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    • Just going to point something out here... I know that most of the facts hint towards Heidemarie being Gumillia, but they seem to have different eye and hair colors. Heidemarie's hair is more bluish than Gumillia's, and the same goes for her eyes.

      Just my speculation, but could it be that Elphes are a racial minority by the time of Margarita? I mean, most of them were killed during the Green Hunting a century prior.

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Just going to point something out here... I know that most of the facts hint towards Heidemarie being Gumillia, but they seem to have different eye and hair colors. Heidemarie's hair is more bluish than Gumillia's, and the same goes for her eyes.

      I don't think the difference is more that the style change Ichika's had in the past few years. Look at all her Banica illustrations from 2009, 2010, and 2013. Slight differences in hues there too, if not different colors entirely.

      I think the same applies here. Her expression, personality description, suspicious relationship to her sister, and general appearance all match Gumillia imo.

      It also doesn't sound odd or ooc for them to be under cover or under new identities in my mind. Some were already suspecting they were in league with the Freesis Foundation so this isn't anything out of left field. 

      I guess we'll see in a few weeks if that's the case.

      GreekTelepath wrote:
      Just my speculation, but could it be that Elphes are a racial minority by the time of Margarita? I mean, most of them were killed during the Green Hunting a century prior.

      A lot of the women were killed during that century. Germaine insinuates this would affect Elphegort for decades. They refused to help Levianta against Neo Apocalypse's terrorism and were passive while Kyle was on an imperialistic conquest before that. I'm not sure if it affects the Elphe population, but it'll definitely come into play for Elphegort's politics and culture.

      Actually, the fact we have the Green Hunting and then a Lioness burning incident in EC 597 makes things very interesting. We have pretty much nothing on the political climate of Evillious during the period up til Gallerian's time, and now we learn there's a World Police that has a presence in at least Marlon.

      Things are going to get very very interesting...

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    • Hardly most of them <o< There was a serious depopulation but I'd say the majority of the country was still alive by the time Michaela was killed. Of course, there could still be more ethnic diversity now as people might have come in to repopulate the work force or else Elphe people better ber plenty fertile <u<; But yeah-

      Personally, I am not seeing much of a difference between Heidemarie and Gumillia's hair color oOo At least nothing that can't be chalked up to faulty perception or slight inconsistency in the shade of deep green Ichika used.

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    • Daniel was nice enough to take the time and do this small translation we've had trouble working with. This is mothy's answer about the story for the upcoming light novel during his Waltz interview:

      これまで以上にカイトをクズ野郎に猫きたい。

      "More than ever, Kaito is expected to be more of a scumbag than the cat."

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    • Oh man, Mothy's answer gave me a laugh considering I just woke up. Casper always threw off scumbag vibes for me, so to see him as more of a (trying to find words that I don't consider swearing/rude) to the cat will be fun. Thanks Daniel (even if he can't see me giving praise xD).

      Watching the trailer pv, I noticed there was a lot of flower and thorn symbolizim. Besides connecting to Flower of the Plateau and Mikulia Grenonio, it also can be a statement  of Margarita's impending insanity, a flower that is actually a bunch of thorns... Or Mothy just really likes flowers and thorns *cough* Pride *cough* Lust *cough*

      Oh and the weird tilted Margarita picture that Ichika drew doesn't look as bad on the promo site, don't like it that much but--

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    • I know some were curious if Caspar would be made somewhat misunderstood but with a comment like that, it sounds like he's going to need a lot of tragic backstory.

      Hopefully we'll see an amazon preview before the light novel releases.

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    • I thought the flowers just were referencing Sleeping Beauty.

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    • I put that up but it got taken down

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    • Don't put it up without discussing it first. That hasn't changed.

      I think a fairy tale reference is possible. The term Sleeping Princess is the Japanese name for Sleeping Beauty and is nearly identical to Margarita's "Sleep Princess" name.

      Does that make Julia the wicked witch cursing the princess? XD

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    • I'm sorry OTL

      i dunno, maybe

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    • I'm laughing at the fact that Caspar is expected to be more of a scumbag that the cat (Irina) because damn Irina is already a pretty big douche c'mon. XD

      I feel like it might be a reference to the fairytail as well, maybe a small reference Flower of the Plateau but I feel like it's more related to that former. >u>;;

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    • "And she will prick her finger on a spinning wheel and die!"

      I dunno, maybe. xD

      I actually did not think of Sleeping Beauty but now that it's been mentioned, I suppose it could also connect to the fairy tale.

      I wonder who this fishy Elluka Clockworker that Margarita is though, assuming Hanne is Elluka in disguise. But if Hanne isn't Elluka then I guess I'll be blaming Ichika's 'everyone looks the same except different hair styles' style of drawing.

      I'm really interested in how Casper is a bigger scumbad than the cat though. Thank God we only have 9 more days till release.

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    • I wouldn't be surprised if Julia let her in on a little secret that she's actually the powerful mage "Elluka Clockworker" of legend, her fairy godmother per say.

      I honestly think Margarita's profile description and the "sisters" are why Julia is not on the website, despite clearly being advertised with a design. To tease our expectations a bit. Same with Elluka and Gumillia being absent.

      I mean, did anyone honestly doubt I.R. and AB-CIR were Irina, despite the profiles being vague and acting like it was a mystery?

      I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't think this is being given to us as a bait and switch.

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    • To clarify early on, mothy's made a comment about the Animate plot synopsis. There was an error on one of the names used for the town mentioned. I asked Octo to passed on the info to Daniel so he could translate it for us clearly so we don't make any mistakes.

      Edit: Cross-checked some names, on mothy's chronological order playlist, he changed his description for Flower of the Plateau from "Mikulia Greeonio" to "カルガランド Incident".

      I see a separate Japanese source mentioning that "Mikulia Greeonio" goes missing. This blog was posted on the 9th, right after Muzzle came out. I have no idea where they got this info.

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    • While we await a better translation, I made a rough one regarding the synopsis down below:


      The strange town where all the buildings are painted bright red: Merigod.

      In Merigod, a mysterious incident occurred in the area with the wife of the (former/first time/previous?) fuedal lord, Mikulia Karugarando.

      It was handed down that, at the time, Mikulia had been in possession of the ingredients for a mysterious sleeping drug, Gift, and took up the name "Flower of the Plateau".

      For the purpose of examining the anecdotes surrounding the Flower of the Plateau, Newspaper Company Reporter Hanne Lorre visits this town.

      Unexpectly, she would become involved in a serial incident tracing back to this ancedote---


      I also tried translating the tweet and got this:


      Synopsis that Animate Online Shop had written for Gift from the Princess who Brought Sleep is a little bit off.

      Merigod (has become/isn't (really hard to tell)) the name of the town.

      The name of the town is/was actually Karugarando, while the name of the plateau where the town is located is/was Merigod.


      Sloth and I discussed this info in private and this is what we came up with:

      • The novel cover clearly shows red buildings on Margarita's side of the background.
      • The song PV also shows reddish buildings in the background.
      • Meta Salmhofer is specifically referred to as the "Witch of Merigod", a hundred years prior to Mikulia's incident.
      • During the Green War, King Sohni and his soldiers headquartered in a fortress on Merigod Plateau, north of Toragay.
      • During the same war, Lucifenia set up base in Toragay, south of Sohni's fortress, and arrested Earl Felix.
      • Flower of the Plateau has Mikulia planning to marry a lord in the town at the foot the plateau.
      • Prim states that Gift is a "relatively new" poison roughly 300 years after Mikulia's incident.

      Based on all this, I'm under the impression that Toragay is the town at the foot of Merigod Plateau and that's why the Felix family's been there this whole time rather than in that city in Merigod (because they're the same thing).

      Because I am having trouble with the tweet translation, I can't tell if mothy's say the name evolved from Karugarando --> Merigod --> Toragay, or that the error was they called the town Merigod period and it was Karugarando --> Toragay and Merigod just refers to the plataeu.

      I'm also under the impression we have another Gula here where The Daughter of Evil's time period refers to stuff as "relatively new" when they had existed/happened before, either because they didn't know or lost the info.

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    • I think I speak for everyone when I say:

      wat

      So is it like this?

      Merigod = the plateau itself

      Toragay = Margarita's town, south of Merigod

      Karugarando = the name of Toragay when Mikulia was alive

      (And I've got two possible translations: Cargrand/Kargrand)

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    • Ah, that reminds me. One thing I did forget to mention.


      メリゴド (Merigodo) and カルガランド (Karugarando)

      メリゴ - ランド

      Merigo - Rando

      メリーゴーランド

      Meriigoorando

      Merry-Go-Round


      I looked up "Karuga" and only got

      "lightly; easily; carelessly" (karugaru/karugaro)

      "indiscreet; thoughtless; careless; frivolous" (karugarushii)

      I'm not sure if it was intentional or not but it's at least giving me some rather Mikulia/Margarita related words.


      To answer your question, Agni. Yes, there's an indication that, whatever the name Mikulia's town was, that it's since been called Toragay.

      And I would say we should keep the ending for Karugarando as "round", maybe consider changing "Merigod" to "Merrigod" or something similar.

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    • Maybe even Merrygod? If the kanji matches so well, I don't see why not keep the name similar in its entirety.

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    • Karground/Carground, then?

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    • Sloth Sinner wrote:
      Maybe even Merrygod? If the kanji matches so well, I don't see why not keep the name similar in its entirety.

      The difference there is メリゴ and メリーゴ, one is "Merigo" while the other is "Meriigo".

      For comparison ミルキー is "Mirukii" (Milky) while ミルキセント is "Mirukisento" (Milkicent).

      Hence why I say we should maybe add another r to emphasize the connection in English without changing the pronuciation/meaning much.

      I'd suggest Kalgaround/Calgaround, personally. Maybe Kargaround/Cargaround.

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    • I like Kalgaround, personally.

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    • "Merry God" hehe

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    • I like Cargaround and Merrigod ouo (Interesting that the town seems to have swapped hands with Mikulia's husband being a previous feudal lord and the town switching names oOo.) 

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    • mothy's tweet on the correction seems so vague though that I'm not even sure if "Mikulia Cargaround" (or whatever we call it) is even correct.

      Still, I don't think anyone's going to disagree with us making all assumptions that Toragay is the town there. I think we can also make a page for the town right off the bat. It's got at least two locations (Blankenheim Mansion and the Well) and has been in at least three notable events.

      I'm getting an even strong vibe now that Mikulia's family led to the Felixes and Margarita while Platonic ran away, set up her own family, and led to Margaret.

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    • (I wonder how scary Margarita will be, considering what Ichika said... same level as Arte and Pollo ? Worse ?)

      I agree with you for Mikulia's family's leading to the Felixes, we should remember this as a possiblity. 

      Cardaground sounds good to me, but if this is so vague... I have nothing to propose. It wouldn't be the first time you have a problem with a name translation, am I right ?

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    • I wonder why the buildings were painted red after the Mikulia Incident, though... Also, "Cardaground" seems so... icky. Is there any way to make it sound more German?

      Also, if Mikulia's two murders are further elaborated on in the Gift novel, do you think it could have its own event page? For all we know, Mikulia could have killed even more people to keep her secret safe. :D Maybe she even pioneered the Gift poison!

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      I wonder why the buildings were painted red after the Mikulia Incident, though... Also, "Cardaground" seems so... icky. Is there any way to make it sound more German?

      I was under the impression they always had red buildings but maybe.
      We have a lot of places that don't sound German (Toragay being one of them).

      I'm not too bothered by the name "Calgaround" or "Cargaround" (I think Great Gretel may have made a typo on her name spelling). 

      GreekTelepath wrote:
      Also, if Mikulia's two murders are further elaborated on in the Gift novel, do you think it could have its own event page? For all we know, Mikulia could have killed even more people to keep her secret safe. :D Maybe she even pioneered the Gift poison!

      I think that, if it does get further elaboration and is shown to be a much bigger incident than the song leads us to believe, that we should.

      We're trying to make one for the New Four Horsemen Incident in the near future, which is also a major event that doesn't get much coverage. If Mikulia's killings are in the same boat, why not?

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    • Uh... Yes, it was a typo, sorry. 

      I don't speak German, but Calgaround is okay to me. 

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    • I prefer Calgaround, as Cargaround ends up sounding too close to Car Ground when I say it. Minor thing, but.

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    • I have a similar reason for my preference, though I wouldn't want the "round" reference to be overlooked because we spell it as "ground".

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    • Well mothy's made his blogpost for the novel and he confirms Margarita, Caspar, Julia, and a certain mage and her apprentice being our major characters (I wonder who they could be!).

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    • I'm amused by the surnam "Lorre" because it comes close to "lore." which is always very, very necessary to any story and Evillious has tons of it.

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    • 67.66.93.114 wrote:
      I'm amused by the surnam "Lorre" because it comes close to "lore." which is always very, very necessary to any story and Evillious has tons of it.

      Well besides the American actor who has the name, it also is a derivative of "Lore" in German from what I can find, which apparently means "flower".

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    • All right. It's been a few days so I'm going to give a pass to us adding the last bit of info. Given everyone's conversation, these will be the following changes:

      • Toragay will be considered the town at the foot of Merigod Plateau; it's previous name shall be spelled as "Calgaround".
      • Merigod Plateau will be renamed Merrigod Plateau to help closer align it with it's seemingly pun on "Merry-Go-Round" along with "Calgaround".
      • Stories of Mikulia's incident will be mentioned in her legacy; we won't assume she actually had ingredients for Gift or anything of the sort until the light novel explains it.
      • Hanne using this story for her investigation into the town will be merged with the info we got from the youtube synopsis. She went to interview the Blankeneheim's as part of her news report and then she found the two corpses.
      • Because we don't know if Mikulia's surname was an error or if it was just calling the town "Merigod" it, we won't assume if Platonic's family were the Felixes or that the lord Mikulia marries was a "Calgaround" until the novel reiterates any of this for us.

      If anyone has an issue with any of the above statements, please make your thoughts known now so we can reopen the discussion about them.

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    • Tiny nitpick here. It's more of a personal preference thing, anyway. Is it possible for it the Plateau to be called "Merrygod", or is that kinda pushing it?

      Also, in Toragay's trivia, is it worth mentioning the connection between the wordplay of the city's name with Madam Merry-Go-Round? It is, after all, sung by a Miku character. 

      Last point, wasn't Toragay referred to as a town up until this point? If my memory serves me correctly, it's been called a town for a long time now. Towns are smaller than cities and are less populated, there's a difference.

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Tiny nitpick here. It's more of a personal preference thing, anyway. Is it possible for it the Plateau to be called "Merrygod", or is that kinda pushing it?

      Merrygod was discussed above

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Tiny nitpick here. It's more of a personal preference thing, anyway. Is it possible for it the Plateau to be called "Merrygod", or is that kinda pushing it?

      I gave a reason when Sloth mentioned this a little while ago here, based on my personal knowledge.

      Also, in Toragay's trivia, is it worth mentioning the connection between the wordplay of the city's name with Madam Merry-Go-Round? It is, after all, sung by a Miku character. 

      I personally don't mind, since we're adding the Merry-Go-Round name allusion.

      Last point, wasn't Toragay referred to as a town up until this point? If my memory serves me correctly, it's been called a town for a long time now. Towns are smaller than cities and are less populated, there's a difference.

      Town and city can be interchangeable in English unless given specification on its size, at least in my experience. A "big city" can't be called a "small town", but a "big town" can be called a "small city".

      mothy translates the Japanese term for "town" as "city" in his Gift PV so I assume its size isn't specified and/or cared about in this case.

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    • Ah, alright then. I'll be adding the trivia point in a bit.

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Ah, alright then. I'll be adding the trivia point in a bit.

      Just because I don't have an issue with it doesn't mean others won't. Wait until a few more chime in and we have consensus; I wasn't giving an all clear to add it. ;p

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    • Oh, sorry about that. It hasnt been added, so no harm done. 

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    • Np... And today's the official release date (my time). A code's supposed to come with the light novel which you can input online for PHP to email a new short story by mothy (I am going to be kind of sad if we've been missing these with Waltz of Evil and the like orz).

      Since it's being emailed, there could always be a technical error. I'll be trying to get the email once my copy arrives, but I think it'd be best if a lot of us who purchase it try to get the email to make sure at least one person gets it.

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    • I just want to say that i think its' the demon of sloth that sings flower of the plateau because "Boku "the pronoun they used when possesing mikulia

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    • The Demon of Sloth was already gone from Mikulia by the time she became a prostitute and then moved to the Plateau, so I don't see how that would work out canonically.

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    • It could have pulled a Kayo

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    • I honestly don't see how that works out.

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    • I have to agree that leaves my head scratching. I can imagine the Demon of Sloth somehow repossessing her again, but I don't see it having stayed with her. I.R. would've noticed that at the end of Lunacy. It was the entire point of that sub-plot with the doll.

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    • So I'm going to drag some of this chat discussion into the thread now. We got some scans and, as expected, many make little to no sense out of context, particularly Doll v Elluka.

      From the looks of it though, we're getting a lot of Hanne's perspective in this story, along with Margarita and a bit of Julia. I'm not sure Caspar's even in any of the story illustrations, from the looks of it.

      We get a good variety of faces though! ranging from ominous to psycho but still...

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    • Mikulia is said to be a very girly character, so I'm not sure why she'd use "boku" if it's a rather boyish way to refer to oneself.

      I have heard that "boku" is a less mature/casual (Mikulia acts like a child, as you all know) boyish noun than "ore", so that could be it.

      And k, Elluka. Put. Down. The Doll. What is even going on here? Did the Doll come to life and attack her? I doubt it has enough energy to do THAT.

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    • I can't tell if that's the Demon making the psycho face or if Margarita somehow possessed it or if maybe that's Irina herself speaking through it. I really an intrigued.

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    • Whatever the case, that Miku face to the left of the Doll is not the Doll itself. The doll is wearing its ordinary dress, and the collar on unknown Miku does not match the Doll's collar.

      And I'm not sure about the Doll's face... normally it seems it has no actual features, aside from closed eyes and a slight smile (unless it's one of those dolls that can open and shut their eyes)

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    • Let's not forget Julia seemingly having an (evil) eureka moment. The walls are covered in scribbles and she seems pretty thrilled in a HER kind of way. Elluka Hanne seems to also be standing before a portrait.

      If I had to guess, I'd say the swirly-haired Miku was Mikulia with her lord.

      My copy's arrived now. I'll get some of the color designs for everyone.

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    • My guess is the man in the painting may be her father. It was pretty common for families to have portraits.

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    • 67.66.93.114 wrote:
      My guess is the man in the painting may be her father. It was pretty common for families to have portraits.

      I don't feel an illustration of Hanne looking at Margarita's/Caspar's father would be very relevant though to the plot, especially given the emphasis on Mikulia and the fact the woman in the portrait has Mikulia's swirly hair.

      (Also, Julia got the best design this light novel, hands down)

      Edit: I signed up to get the email with the short story. Password is "perenoel".

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    • It's possible! Hard to say.

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    • Scanned and uploaded the prologue. Editing the epilogue with Julia. It'd be great if we get transcriptions of the both of these. I'll start going through some of the major parts of the light novel.

      Prologue soungs like it's by Margarita. The way it's set up seems like a teaser to set up all the plot twists. Honestly, I'm not even surprised if she is the doll at this point.

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    • I will point out the lyrics of the song:

      "In those days when I was treated like a decorative doll."

      67.66.93.114 23:27, August 27, 2014 (UTC)/o/

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      Scanned and uploaded the prologue. Editing the epilogue with Julia. It'd be great if we get transcriptions of the both of these. I'll start going through some of the major parts of the light novel.

      Prologue soungs like it's by Margarita. The way it's set up seems like a teaser to set up all the plot twists. Honestly, I'm not even surprised if she is the doll at this point.

      So, for the first time the epilogue doesn't feature Gallerian?

      Now I'm so eager to know all about this novel, and it just came out today/yesterday... I feel like trying to eat raw cookie dough, can't wait for it to cook X3

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    • MaxusFox23 wrote:

      So, for the first time the epilogue doesn't feature Gallerian?

      Now I'm so eager to know all about this novel, and it just came out today/yesterday... I feel like trying to eat raw cookie dough, can't wait for it to cook X3

      Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. We may have misinterpreted the tweet about him being in the novel. We'll have to double check the source.

      In the mean time, I've scanned the scene of Elluka v Doll. Going to work on those seemingly scientific notes then do a few more scenes.

      Afterwards, I'll sit down and go through more of it to mine what I can.

      All I can confirm for now is Elluka v Doll scene has Julia's name drop, and includes lots of bolded text (seemingly dialogue with Japanese (), implying thoughts/telepathic speaking). The bolded text does indeed drop the names "Eve Moonlit" and "Meta Salmhofer".

      Julia's profile in her concept art also mentions the "twin gods" and Meta in it.

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    • Julia's profile says: エルフェゴート国にあるカルガランド市の八人目の市長。「神の双子」を生んだとされる聖母·メタザルムホーファーを崇拝している。 Basically that she's the leader of an eight people group in Calgaround, it also mentions that she's worshiped as the "Saint Mother" (The kanji is normally used to refer to Virgin Mary) Meta Salmhofer, the supposed mother of the Twin Gods.

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    • Something else, a friend of mine got the novel, but doesn't know where to apply for the short story or where in the obi is the password, if any of you could help us with that I'll appreciate it a lot :)

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    • DemonDamian wrote:
      Something else, a friend of mine got the novel, but doesn't know where to apply for the short story or where in the obi is the password, if any of you could help us with that I'll appreciate it a lot :)


      Thanks for the profile text!

      For your friend, check my above reply 146. I provide the link and the password to apply for the short story. 

      Edit: Checking the dictionary, the kanji literally mean Saint/Holy/Pure/Sacred and Mother, so Virgin, Divine, etc. should also work. It can also refer to the Virgin Mary, although my dictionary has that as a secondary definition. First defition would be "birth mother of a holy man (or woman)".

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    • I got 80/300 of the pages scanned. I got a few pages/scenes that seem imortant, all the interesting "notes" (or whatever they are) at the end of each chapter (goes from A-F) andthe prologue and epilogue.

      I'll start going through them all. Also, I believe Hanne is confirmed to be Elluka. Apropos to this image, Elluka's name appears more heavily in the following chapters and the page just before it has the third to last line listed as:

      -- Elluka Clockworker --

      I'm going to check the scene thoroughly (after I check what I've already scanned).

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    • A small article was written for Caspar and Margarita's marriage:

      • Caspar Blankenheim, son of Carl/Karl Blankenheim (カール), has married Margarita Felix at the local church (not sure of the "resident Marquis of Toragay" refers to Caspar or his dad).
      • All the people of the town grandly celebrated the two's joyous celebration, providing gifts and their congratulations. Even King Soil Elphen (ソイル) attends this celebration with the people of Toragay.
      • This is really rough on my part, but it seems that, despite some rejecting them due to the election system introduced into the town, it seems the Blankenheim family will continue to govern Toragay. (someone else may want to look at this little excerpt).
      • Pere Noel is mentioned several times; Hanne seems familiar with their existence.
      • Although the origin of its name isn't certain, it is likely taken from Apocalypse, an ancient anti-government organization that was based in Merrigod Plateau. It was without a doubt taken from the man that lead the organization, Pale Noel.

      Edit: More info on those repetitive "notes".

      The first part seems to be a diary or personal log of Margarita. Each portion is a "chapter", going from A to F. These are usually at the end of each chapter.

      Afterwards, we are usually given an excerpt from the Shuburke Newspaper. Lots of exposition seem to be in them. I highly recommend we ge these transcribed. It will be hard

      Yukina, Riliane, Julia, Merrigod, mayors, Flower of the Plateau, etc. are all mentioned.

      During one scene, Hanne calls Heidemarie by her name then says "No, Gumillia." and she calls her "Elluka" in kind.

      A scene that's caught my interest and scanned seems to go in-depth about what happened in OSS Act 2 and why Elluka takes blame for the vessels of sin being created. Sin, twin gods, H&G, Kiril, the vessels, all of it.

      Also, random thought, but what if the "Soul of Adam" is Adam using the body swap technique to pass his soul into Kachess Crim and his descendants?

      • One of the diary entries has Margarita spamming "I am the Sleep Princess". It gets worse.
      • When Margarita was born, a woman with a red cat came to her; the women is probably the one who destroyed the town of Lioness too (that explains a lot).
      • Elluka seemed to think I.R., AB-CIR, and Abyss I.R. were simply descendants of one another, explaining their magic; it wasn't til she saw her seemingly use a technique like her body swap that she began suspecting they were all the same person.
      • There are very few who can use the body swap technique. Elluka seems to know only four people who could use such high grade magic: Queen Marry-Go-Round, Adam Moonlit, Eve Moonlit, and Meta Salmhofer.

      The scene with psycho Julia involves Elluka and Gumillia visiting the "mayor", Julia. During the conversation all of them have, the identies come up as follows:

      • Julia is I. the Santa Claus; Caspar is II. the Dealer; Margarita is III. the Sleep Princess.

      These names are written just like the Five the Pierrot (ie, no roman numeral then name without the の between them) so it would seem our interpretation of the PV was incorrect

      • I may be wrong but it sounds like Julia's mocking Gumillia, noting she's been hunting for "Five the Pierrot" after said Pierrot suddenly attacks and Gumillia's swiftly defends them from it. She cooly asks about him being there and Julia's answer (after the mockery) is that she freed him from the basement(?).
      • Epic battle of epic proportions between them all (Irina really likes fire (flame snakes consuming giant tornados ftw)); they reall go at it, but nothing Elluka uses defeats Julia.
      • She erupts into manic laughter reminding her repeatedly "This is my home/domain" as characters suddenly appear all over her mansion. She was prepared, inscribing enchantments into her entire home to seal away Elluka's curse song (of death) from even affectnig her.
      • Something about being attacked by Greeonian Plateau Roses at the end (I think?) (and yes, that's how it's spelled in Engrish).
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    • So... Is it confirmed men can actually use magic in EC?

      And the "soul of Adam" thing may actually have to do with Adam Moonlit's magic, who knows, maybe Banica teases the so-called "Soul of Adam" in both SoE and CF because they remind her of Carlos...

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    • DemonDamian wrote:
      So... Is it confirmed men can actually use magic in EC?

      And the "soul of Adam" thing may actually have to do with Adam Moonlit's magic, who knows, maybe Banica teases the so-called "Soul of Adam" in both SoE and CF because they remind her of Carlos...

      It's possible. The plot twist later on though... definitely strengthens the theory.

      • At the end we have Lieutenant General Gatt Colomb (who is implied to be the sixth member and has purple hair); in the epilogue, when he reports to Julia, they get into a talk about their organization and how to proceed.
      • Funny thing, technically さむらい from the Five the Pierrot PV means a warrior or retainer. Interesting.
      • Julia orders him before he leaves to weed her garden before her son comes home or she'll burn him to ashes.
      • Julia keeps him from saying her codename, demanding he call her "President"; she's in Lucifenia now and seems to have been reading the paper (I assume the one at the end of the previous chapter that closes off everything) and drinking some fine milk before Gatt came knocking.
      • Only 72 people out of all of Toragay survives this "endemic" and a Rogze seems to be helping to cure it (I think?).
      • Four the Shadow is Mayrana (a real name, oddly enough); apparently, they lost her along with Caspar and Margarita. Julia also doesn't seem that bothered by what happened to the Doll or their lost members.
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    • Do we know Gatt's codename is? Also, I wonder who Mayrana is represented by.

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    • The speclutions are killing me again, and i'm quite frightened by Julia's expression and the fact that when Elluka was holding the doll by the neck...her eyes were opened D-8

      and I think Margarita should've looked more scary 'cause she's a psycho after all, and lastly, I think the face that appeared next to the doll was Margarita-Chan's.

      -Tomboy Jessie

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Do we know Gatt's codename is? Also, I wonder who Mayrana is represented by.


      She might be the sole unique character. The name though makes me think of a Meiko like Maylis. Since I've only scanned 3-4 large scenes, she might be in more and we missed her. Keep in mind, I'm going through this info really fast. It may take us a few unimpeded weeks to mine most of the info from here.

      The big plot twist at the climax though with Doll v Elluka will need some more investigating for me to confirm a few things. I'll continue on it tomorrow and post my results here.

      Until then, we really need to work on transcribing these 80 or so pages as they do contain lots of critical info about everything in this series.

      Edit: And no; Gatt appears in that one scene and I don't see even a reference to his true codename. However, it is likely not "Samurai" at this point.

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    • Is Mayrana Rin?

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    • Well she's blond so could she be Lemy's biological mother?

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    • Wondering if, because he's the Dealer, if it's possible that his seeming philandering is just a misconception on Margarita's side and his sleaziness instead involves being a drug dealer.

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    • Also, a friend pointed out and questioned if Mayrana might actually be Neru, in which case, with a name like Shadow, we may have out third Nery in role of the assassin.

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    • This is just a thought I had... and it's kind of out of the blue.

      Concerning the whole Elluka vs. Doll action, who does the crazed face on the left belong to? Originally, I thought it was the Demon of Sloth, on the inside of the Doll. 

      Now, what if the face belongs to Margarita? (i.e.- she followed Banica's example and became a Demon).

      That's just a random thought I had, it probably doesn't hold water at all. ouo;

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    • What's she gonna do? Sleep it to death?

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    • Maybe Mayrana is Mayu? They both start with 'may' and Mayu definitely has blonde/blondish hair

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      What's she gonna do? Sleep it to death?

      Maybe. As long as she hurts it. I see giving it Gift. v(o u o)v That way it dies-

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    • I'd go for Mayu too.

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    • NinjaClockworker wrote:

      Concerning the whole Elluka vs. Doll action, who does the crazed face on the left belong to? 

      I'll be honest. I thought that face was Elluka. O_o


      SennaAvadonia wrote: Maybe Mayrana is Mayu? They both start with 'may' and Mayu definitely has blonde/blondish hair

      But Mayrana's romaji starts with "Mei", not "May"... I'm not sure how exactly that's a fair argument though.

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    • @Sloth

      Really? Wow, that's interesting. WAIT-

      I think you're right. Originally, I thought I saw the twin pigtails, but now looking at it... It just looks like Elluka's hairstyle.

      Sloth, you're a genius! OWO;;;

      (Or maybe the pigtails are hard to see... ¿ouo?)

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    • Yeah, and the collar is the same as Elluka's clothes in the Story of Evil. I thought it was quite obvious but for some reason no one even fathomed that possibility, so I kind of thought I was being stupid...

      Edit: Of course, she might not be Elluka. I'm starting to wonder if Irina managed to possess Lukana's body again and Elluka went into Hanne's body. >_> Even though it feels somehow awkward that mothy would use that scheme twice.

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    • Maybe her name has nothing to do with her Vocaloid's name... Because there is only Meiko with a name starting by "mei". What if she isn't represented by any Vocaloid ?

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    • This is off-topic... but is anyone else having problems with chat at the moment? ono;

      Also, Sloth-

      Maybe, I agree it would be awkward for mothy to re-use that plot point. I just thought of it now, but what if Elluka is going off the deep end at the moment, she's kinda just like:

      "FORK YOU ALL I QUIT!" and taking her anger out on the cause of this whole problem.

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    • SennaAvadonia wrote:
      Maybe Mayrana is Mayu? They both start with 'may' and Mayu definitely has blonde/blondish hair


      Maybe. My only issue with this is that the Japanese pronunciation is "Mei", not "Mai". This could be attributed to to mothyusing a real name and is trying to just make a subtle, English character similarity.

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    • Since we have /confirmed/ who II. the Blue is, and the tentative title for IV, is it safe to update the Père Noël page? 

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    • It still looks like how twintails are drawn to me, and I can't see why Elluka is making a normal face on one side with narrwed eyes but a crazy face on the other. It looks almost like her hair is up on both sides? IDK, it doesn't look like Elluka to me. But that's me.

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    • She could be staring the Doll down, but on the inside is having a nervous breakdown. ouo

      Besides, nothing's confirmed yet. We may just have to wait to see what's /really/ going on.

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    • Perhaps she's really excited to have finally gotten the Doll?

      But that's the strange thing, didn't Elluka lose the Doll to Julia after Margy's rampage? She literally has the Doll in the palm of her hand; she could simply take it away for safekeeping.

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    • http://i.imgur.com/p3qO9mz.jpg

      Made a comparison. It still matches up to how Ichika draws Mikus, especially Margarita. I don't think it's Elluka.

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    • Thanks anon. It really does look like Miku, but who knows?

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    • I know a miku when i see one

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    • No prob. I can see from the angle and the cut-off as to why it might resemble elluka, but the cut of how the hair falls makes me think Miku more than Luka.

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    • Yeah, I'm going back to my original thinking it's Miku. Sorry Sloth. ouo;

      I'm in antici...pation for some of the novel to be translated.

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    • I see you shiver with antici...




      ...pation

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    • Since I'm the one reading this scene, I'll confirm ahead of time that the character featured with the manic laugh is an existing Miku character. Need a little more time reading through this before I present what I've gathered from it.

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    • We will wait patiently.

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    • My guess is if it's not Margy (which it probably is) or the Doll, it's a sort of flashback to Eve Moonlit, going "mad with malice"

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    • Aw man, and I was going to ask Ichika about it- 

      Ah well, I'll just ask different questions- ouo;

      Also, I don't know if it's a pattern or anything, but it seems the books drop at two times in a year: Late summer-Early fall or Christmas-New Year.

      Since Gift dropped in the first category, and Pierrot is scheduled for New Year, do you guys think the Envy novel will be released next August-September?

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    • Mjem...

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    • Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote:
      Mjem...

      What?

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    • It was a sound of boredom. Hey Servy if you put up some pages i could ask my japanese teacher to read them.

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    • This is all very rough but let's see what I got:

      • Elluka goes to where she first trained Michaela and Gumillia; she's apparently going after Margarita, who's "supposed to be dead".
      • She's going alone to talk with her so Michaela and Gumillia are both staying behind.
      • Margarita had rushed to the cottage so she headed inside first. When Elluka entered afterwards, Margarita was sitting in a shabby wooden chair.
      • Margarita asks what it was like to be brought there and understands(?); Elluka nods and agrees.
      • Margarita: "Me too. When she drank the seventh Gift , I remembered it all as well."
      • Elluka: "....... So. It wasn't a medicine for sleeping. It was a medicine for cause/origin/begining/genesis."
      • Margarita: "You can definitely say that's the correct answer. At that time, Margarita had definitely slept forever. And then on the other end------I awakened."
      • Elluka seems to be curious about what she says; she tells the woman that she seems to know a lot about Margarita and takes up another chair to sit in.
      • Elluka: "Margarita Blankenheim----No, when she was still Margarita Felix..... She was naive/pure and submissive in this world, and then, she immediately died. But she was revived by the hands of the "mage with a red cat" and, before long, grew beautiful and married Caspar Blankenheim. Her father and the townspeople and myself too all seemed to think that....... However, it was a mistake----- everyone had been fooled. "

      ^ The above was likely heavily butchered and I understand if it sounds like a dysfunctional mess

      • Chirping birds are heard outside the cottage. Their cries were those of robins.
      • Without a word, Margarita listened to Elluka's story with a gentle smile.
      • Elluka: "Margarita shouldn't have survived (I think?). She isn't a mage that could use such a technique (I think?). A mage had just carries away Margarita's corpse (I think?). Instead it's a doll-------in other words, she(?) took you."

      Yeah Elluka's explanation won't be easy for me to dissect meaning without a transcription. '^-^

      • ???: "But everyone was convinced Margarita had been revived. Nobody had noticed that I was a doll."
      • Elluka: "That's what you-----The Demon of Sloth, have the ability to do. The moment you changed with the real Margarita, the ability was triggered. At that time, all the people around us went to sleep."
      • ???: "........"
      • Elluka: "Did you use mass hypnosis? Anyhow, it's a terrible a power. Clouded of being a doll, everyone, everyone was under the impression you were human. Even I, a mage. Even though you don't sleep, it isn't natural. That's because a doll shouldn't be able to sleep. But us being unable to locate and find the Doll vessel of sin is natural. Because-----You are that Doll."
      • ???: "Oh well....... Everyone, everyone was asleep. From the beginning."
      • Margarita-----No, the Doll, rose and sat on the nearby bed this time.
      • Doll: "This is----Margarita herself too. We were misled by the overwhelming power. Up til her death at the last minute, she was convinced she was a real human. Only she who never slept was a simple human." (That last sentence is probably completely wrong).
      • Elluka: "........ It was on the behalf of not just Margarita. Once, you spent time as a human of another era. And the both of us worked together for a little bit."
      • Doll: "Heheheh, so you noticed. How notalgic...... During that time, I was given a lot of unfair missions, Elluka."
      • Elluka: "The girl calling herself the Phantom Thief Platonic------ the child I had met during the Conchita event three hundred years ago. I had thought she was a descendant of Mikulia Greeonio. However, I realized the story I heard for the Flower of the Plateau was mistaken. In that story, if true, the only child Mikulia bore had been abandoned in the well to be killed....... that's what was said. So Mikulia shouldn't have had any descendants."
      • Doll: "Only child? Why would you assert that? After that, she might've gave birth to children with the Calgaround fuedal lord.
      • Elluka: "That's impossible. Because Mikulia........ Shortly after giving birth to that child, she died in Asmodean at a young age. Because I had witnessed her dying, there's no doubt of that. That is, the identity of the Mikulia that was in Calgaround was----"
      • The Doll rose again. She wasn't sit anywhere this time, just picking flowers between the gaps in the floor.
      • Doll: "The Flower of the Plateau-----That was me as well."
      • Elluka: "So, when I found the name of Mikulia from Yukina's memoirs, I was confused. Once Calgaround had been interview, it strengthened my suspicion. Mikulia was supposed to have died long ago, so then her going to Calgaround, becoming the wife of a fuedal lord, and causing an incident------I had thought if it was perhaps another person of the same name. But the one had been drawn in the portrait was unmistakably Mikulia herself."
      • Doll: "This body of mine was originally made by I.R. to simulate Mikulia's appearance. It's not an odd look-alike (I think)."
      • I.R.-----At that time, that was the name the "mage with the red cat" called herself. It was the "mage with the red cat" who made the Doll.......... No, that doesn't make sense. The vessels of sin----they were all made by the twin gods, the deteriorating copies of the dragon(s)."
      • Doll: "Heheha, you look so surprised, Elluka. So apparently you didn't know."
      • The Doll then says she'll explain it for her. She slowly goes to the corner of the room and leans against the frame of the fireplace.
      • Doll: "The one representing "Sloth" of the vessels of sin........ it didn't exist originally. Now, what could've happened to the Demon of Sloth? The answer is simple. A demon wasn't lodged into the vessel; a person was. She was to then change into her host with each generation, transforming her host into a form much like her own each time. But since I.R. had made a new vessel, that was no longer necessary.
      • Elluka: "-----So then...... It's the swap technique!"
      • Doll: "Oh, you think so? The idea to use the swap technique----- for a human mage? It wouldn't be necessary to use such a technique if it was a demon."
      • Elluka: "..... Are you vainly attempting to decieve me? I already know----- who your true idenitity is!!"
      • Elluka suddenly rose and bolted toward the fireplace. She grabbed the neck of the doll there.
      • Doll: "-----Stop. That's painful."
      • Elluka: "Painful? Ha, don't make me laugh. A clouded doll wouldn't suffer from a such a thing."
      • (mud/clouded seems to be an adjective to describe the doll disguised as a human)
      • The figure of the Doll gradually shrunk-----No, that isn't the case. She-----removed the hypnosis she had over her. She eventually returned to her original form-------a small, waist-tall Gine Doll.

      From this point onward, the Doll speaks as the demons speak (bolded text with Japanese () to denote telepathy).

      • Doll: (Heheh, I'll show you this form from a hundred years ago again)
      • The Doll continued to talk.
      • Doll: (Now, tell me. What is my identity)
      • Elluka: As you had said yourself. If you say the one vessel representing "Sloth" did not exist, then you cannot be the Demon of Sloth itself-----It's natural to think that. In that case, you exist as another in disguise. The person that could do such a thing, and with that form....... I can only think of one person."
      • Doll: (.......)
      • Elluka: "You who decieved us all..... I as well, and even the twin gods too."
      • While holding the neck of the doll, Elluka lifted her up in front of her. She declared to her opponent:
      • Elluka: "Surely you are alive. Original Sinner----Eve Zvezda."

      Turn the page and you get Elluka v Doll pic. Turn the page again and....

      • -----The Doll began to laugh. It is not like her smile a little while ago. It was a broken screech, as if she was mad.
      • Eve: (Hihahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahah!! Good guess. But you're a little off. Not Eve Zvezda; Eve Moonlit. Since I had married Adam, I changed my name).

      A huge exposition piece going more into detail about who Eve is exactly, explaining what happened, why it happened, and what happened after the "twin gods" killed them. From what I gather, the twins created only six demons with vessels made from their household. It isn't certain if they were aware that the seventh had actually been the soul of Eve.

      • Elluka: "To say those things....... For what purpose? For what have you been alive up til now for? For what have you taken this form-----"

      I'm going to summarize the pure basics for the rest since I think I've done enough of the above.

      Eve apparently has no reason for still being around and she's been broken and gone mad long ago. Aimlessly spreading malice like the other demons. The narration suggests she just might indeed be the Demon of Sloth.

      Elluka conjures her body swap technique in order to take Eve's spirit into herself. They battle and then it's over. Scene end in the abandoned house.

      Edit: Well I didn't refresh and missed some replies above me. Lovely.

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    • ...I am not sure how to feel other than horrified.

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    • I hope we can get proper confirmation on all of that, because god, if this is true, it literally changes *everything* we know.

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    • Okay... wow. I just... WOW.

      Looks like your random Adam theory was right Servy, but it was Eve doing it.

      So basically, Eve's soul was one of the "demons" H&G split up and sent out into the world. So Eve pulled a Conchita and became a demon of sin.

      She possessed Mikulia and committed whatever she is said to have committed in Calgaround? That makes the last line of Flower of The Plateau more ominous that I originally thought.

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    • ... I'm... confused... So, Eve is back...

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    • Eve was never really gone.

      What I'm getting from this is that the Doll moved itself to Calgaround, taking Mikulia's form, married a lord there in her name, killed two people one of them being Mikulia's son, then vanished for awhile. And then Julia exchanged the doll for a dead baby Margarita, and then Eve lived as Margarita until GIFT returned her memories. But she was a doll the entire goddamn time.

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    • So Eve is the Demon of Sloth... She likes people who resemble Eve because she is Eve! Darn, that's quite a twist.

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    • Scarletta Agni wrote:
      She possessed Mikulia and committed whatever she is said to have committed in Calgaround? That makes the last line of Flower of The Plateau more ominous that I originally thought.

      From my understanding, the dialogue states Elluka saw Mikulia die in (what appears to be) childbirth in Asmodean while she was still young. The actions in Calgaround by the "Flower of the Plateau" were actually Eve.

      My concern is that I don't know if Eve was unaware who she was with Mikulia and Platonic, or if that was only the case with Margarita.

      Regardless, Margarita's "Sleepless" condition was simply her being a doll that didn't sleep, but believed she was a human.

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    • "in those days when i was used like a decorative doll..." now that line is rather... ironic, i suppose. the word for it escapes me

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    • So when she possessed them/took their form, she was unaware she was not them? Strange, but it's been used before.

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    • I think she meant, dying giving birth to her child

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    • Scarletta Agni wrote:
      So when she possessed them/took their form, she was unaware she was not them? Strange, but it's been used before.

      That's the case with Margarita, at least. I can't speak for Platonic and (obviously) can't speak for Flower of the Plateau Mikulia. We'll need to look at more scenes as I've basically ripped the climax of a mystery novel out of its context.

      Most of these clues Elluka and Eve go back and forth on are clearly alluded to or hinted at earlier in this novel. We don't know how that's presented though so we're getting the "aha" moment after the fact.

      I have more scans to make and we have a solid 70 pages to transcribe in total. It'll be a busy next few months for mining info. We also should look out for blogs posting about the novel to try to find and corraborate other plot details we may miss.

      Also, congrats Caspar. You married a Doll. That one ups Gallerian by a mile.

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    • Hey, Servy. Does it state who won between Elluka and Eve, or does it just say the battle ended?

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    • I... I just.... Wow. I did not expect that.

      Well, I expected the doll to be Eve in some way - mostly because I thought it would be odd to have roughly 3/4 of the Moonlit quartet (Adam, Eve, Hansel, and Gretel) represented in the theater in some way and have Eve missing - but I did not expect that.

      I just. Whoa.

      I'm also slightly confused...... Were Margarita and Eve sharing a body or conciousness in the doll (Margarita being dominant), with the Gift killing Margarita but reviving Eve, or was the real Margarita dead the whole time, with Eve taking on Margarita's identity and life? Or is there something completely different going on?

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    • 67.83.114.176 wrote:
      I... I just.... Wow. I did not expect that.

      Well, I expected the doll to be Eve in some way - mostly because I thought it would be odd to have roughly 3/4 of the Moonlit quartet (Adam, Eve, Hansel, and Gretel) represented in the theater in some way and have Eve missing - but I did not expect that.

      Technically, you are still in the same position with MotC atm. :P

      I'm also slightly confused...... Were Margarita and Eve sharing a body or conciousness in the doll (Margarita being dominant), with the Gift killing Margarita but reviving Eve, or was the real Margarita dead the whole time, with Eve taking on Margarita's identity and life? Or is there something completely different going on?

      I'm under the impression it was Eve and (for whatever reason not made clear in this scene but probably hinted/confirmed somewhere else in the book) she believed she was the real Margarita, a normal human girl with a weird "Sleepless" condition, when it was actually the Sloth magic casting a mass hypnosis passively to make everyone witnessing the doll believe she was just Margarita.

      That said, this isn't made explicitly clear so it's possible the real Margarita simply resided in the doll with Eve, she was "slumbering" during this period, and Margarita's suicide awoke Eve (like she says).

      We need more context and transcriptions will help make the validation of all this info all the easier for us.

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    • Veno's Pretty Hair wrote:
      I hope we can get proper confirmation on all of that, because god, if this is true, it literally changes *everything* we know.

      I can confirm with my own eyes in the entire scene of my light novel I just translated that it is true, barring any small mistranslations. Too much of this dialogue though does flow together and makes sense though to just be a mistake, including the simple mention of names. That much I can say with 100% certainty.

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    • When I saw the collar in that picture, in the back of my mind I said "looks like Eve's"...

      ...I really have no words in this moment.

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    • 67.83.114.176 wrote:
      I... I just.... Wow. I did not expect that.

      Well, I expected the doll to be Eve in some way - mostly because I thought it would be odd to have roughly 3/4 of the Moonlit quartet (Adam, Eve, Hansel, and Gretel) represented in the theater in some way and have Eve missing - but I did not expect that.

      I just. Whoa.

      I'm also slightly confused...... Were Margarita and Eve sharing a body or conciousness in the doll (Margarita being dominant), with the Gift killing Margarita but reviving Eve, or was the real Margarita dead the whole time, with Eve taking on Margarita's identity and life? Or is there something completely different going on?

      From what we get here, Eve completely replaced Margarita.

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    • I hate to be THAT guy, but I called it.

      Scarletta Agni wrote: My guess is if it's not Margy (which it probably is) or the Doll, it's a sort of flashback to Eve Moonlit, going "mad with malice"

      In a way, I called it. \owo/

      But yeah, holy crap I can't even. The whole awakening of the Doll is confusing too, since MoTC mentions nothing about this, not a hint, and doesn't seem to have Eve's personality. (And certainly she'd be uncomfortable calling someone who looks like her husband her "Father")

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    • Scarletta Agni wrote:

      But yeah, holy crap I can't even. The whole awakening of the Doll is confusing too, since MoTC mentions nothing about this, not a hint, and doesn't seem to have Eve's personality. (And certainly she'd be uncomfortable calling someone who looks like her husband her "Father")

      Of course she wouldn't. Did you miss the part where Elluka uses body swap to have Eve's spirit be absorbed into her? XD Elluka planned on dispersing her within herself (I assume as a means to finally kill her). The battle ends however without the narration answering who won.

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    • That's assuming she hasn't lost her memory.

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    • If Eve is the Demon... then won't the Doll just be a normal doll if she is killed?

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    • Yeah, I'm worried for what happened there. Either Eve won and everything after is... Eve... They fully merged into a new being... ...Or Eve has been defeated and then what the fuck is up with Court.

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    • 67.67.9.165 wrote:
      Yeah, I'm worried for what happened there. Either Eve won and everything after is... Eve... They fully merged into a new being... ...Or Eve has been defeated and then what the fuck is up with Court.

      Perhaps Elluka only successfully absorbed part of Eve?

      Like, maybe whatever is in the doll when she becomes the MotC is Eve, but only her core, after everything that makes her Eve has been stripped away, and most of her memory and whatever makes her "evil" went to Elluka.

      .... Actually, I have no clue. I do, however, know that whatever happened will be resolved when the Five the Pierrot novel comes out. It would have to be, considering. At least we'll only have to wait four months?

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    • I feel the need to make a "Trophy Wife" joke with Caspar, but I'm too shocked think of a good one...

      Knowing this, it's possible Gallerian wasn't that mad after all, maybe the doll was just doing what it was supposed to do and hypnotizing him so he would see her as his daughter. As for MoTC... is she Eve? Is she something else? If she's Eve, is she even aware she's Eve?

      So many questions...

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    • DemonDamian wrote:

      Knowing this, it's possible Gallerian wasn't that mad after all, maybe the doll was just doing what it was supposed to do and hypnotizing him so he would see her as his daughter. As for MoTC... is she Eve? Is she something else? If she's Eve, is she even aware she's Eve?

      The problem is that Eve was supposedly the Demon of Sloth, so therefore if she's gone, then the Doll should theoretically be unable to hypnotize him.

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    • DemonDamian wrote:
      I feel the need to make a "Trophy Wife" joke with Caspar, but I'm too shocked think of a good one...

      I got one: I heard your wife's a real doll. XP

      Also. Shaw might be still alive. Going to check a scene in more detail (with Hanne meeting the old sick man).

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      • Read's @Servys story*

      What the hell am I reading? Is Margarita alive before or after "Belphegor's Gift"? When did "Flower of the Platue" took place? Is Mothy screwing with my favorite sinner??????? 

      I think I'm gonna be sick. -Tomboy Jessie

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    • 98.255.102.42 wrote:
      *Read's @Servys story*

      What the hell am I reading? Is Margarita alive before or after "Belphegor's Gift"? When did "Flower of the Platue" took place? Is Mothy screwing with my favorite sinner??????? 

      I think I'm gonna be sick. -Tomboy Jessie

      Flower of the Plateau took place not too long after the Venomania Event. However, it was the Doll and not Mikulia as she had died in childbirth in Asmodean.

      Belphegor's Gift was always Eve. Margarita died as an infant or small child, and Julia swapped the dead child with the Doll, which then caused mass hypnosis and everyone thought Margarita revived. The Doll (or Margarita's soul IN the doll, unclear which) then thought it was human until she took the GIFT herself, waking up Eve's memories.

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    • ^ That's the impression I'm under. I can double check afterward over some of the details, but it seems to be made clear that that's the case.

      The only issue is I can't confirm whether our Flower of the Plateau and Platonic were aware of their true identity at the time.

      (Platonic definitely doesn't act/seem to be Eve at any time [even in private], from what I read)

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    • Here is what we have for chapters:

      Prologue

      • Chapter 1: The Flower of the Plateau Bloomed in a Red Town
      • Chapter 2: Is the Blue-Haired Marquis Santa Claus?
      • Chapter 3: The Green Flower Seeds Waits in Toragay
      • Chapter 4: The Widow and the Medicine and the Poison too
      • Chapter 5: Expressionless Together With Justice, an Accidental Visit (I think?)
      • Chapter 6: The Immortal Mage
      • Chapter 7: Gift from the Sleep Princess (or "Gift from the Princess who Brought Sleep")

      Epilogue

      Now a few neat tidbits I can get for this next chapter:

      • Hanne's going to a building in Bariti, the capital of Marlon. She first saw the building ten years ago when it was being constructed.
      • Welp, we got another Bruno who is the right hand man to the Freesis'.
      • Shaw's alive and well enough for a man of 116 years of age; Yukina's already dead. 

      This novel's going to be a plethora of references and mentions. Lovely.

      150/300 pages scanned. I have all the pages from 200-300 minus the 60s. The rest are scattered between the first 2/3rds.

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    • 67.67.9.165 wrote:
      98.255.102.42 wrote:
      *Read's @Servys story*

      What the hell am I reading? Is Margarita alive before or after "Belphegor's Gift"? When did "Flower of the Platue" took place? Is Mothy screwing with my favorite sinner??????? 

      I think I'm gonna be sick. -Tomboy Jessie

      Flower of the Plateau took place not too long after the Venomania Event. However, it was the Doll and not Mikulia as she had died in childbirth in Asmodean.

      Belphegor's Gift was always Eve. Margarita died as an infant or small child, and Julia swapped the dead child with the Doll, which then caused mass hypnosis and everyone thought Margarita revived. The Doll (or Margarita's soul IN the doll, unclear which) then thought it was human until she took the GIFT herself, waking up Eve's memories.

      Uuuuuuugh! Now I am gonna be sick! I hope the speculations was because of crappy translations on Margarita's part >.<, damn you Mothy, damn you to hell.

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    • Uh. considering Servy translated it, there is little about this that is speculation.

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    • I know I'm not that good, but if I've done that bad, I'm high on whatever mothy's on.

      Also, went back over the Julia v Elluka and Gumillia chapter. Still not entirely sure if Five the Pierrot is actually there or if Julia's talking about him to rile up Gumillia. Four the Shadow, however, does seem to appear.

      Unfortunately, I can't find any lines around her passage that describe her in any detail, except that Elluka says she's "In other words" a "Shadow Warrior" (影武者).

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    • Quick question, which comes first, Elluka v Doll or Elluka and Gumillia v Julia?

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    • DemonDamian wrote:
      Quick question, which comes first, Elluka v Doll or Elluka and Gumillia v Julia?

      Elluka v Doll is the second to last scene before the epilogue with Julia. The scene after the battle is Elluka returning to Michaela and Gumillia. They then leave Michaela "for Lucifenia".

      The scene with Elluka and Gumillia v Julia is about 80 pages before that scene and before Margarita commits suicide. It seems to be the major scene that kicks Act 3 into motion for the plot.

      That's all I can say for chronology. There are a lot of scenes in between those I mentioned so I can't say if it smoothly transitions between all that.

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    • Back up back up! FOUR THE SHADOW? We finally found out who the fourth member of pere noel is? I need all the details!

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      [Snipped. If you're going to quote, have the courtesy to not unnecessarily drag out the text Servant of Evillious (talk) 17:40, August 29, 2014 (UTC)]

      And once again, Mothy has f*cked our minds

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    • LemyTheRipper wrote:
      Back up back up! FOUR THE SHADOW? We finally found out who the fourth member of pere noel is? I need all the details!

      I should quote that the Lemy PV calls IV the "Princess of Sleep". Apparently, the shadow was pretty well hidden.

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    • (It's III. that is called Princess of Sleep, not IV :P)

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    • Okay, wait, so if this translation is correct, is it saying Platonic is in fact the descendant of the young lord and Eve Moonlit? Or she just some random chick?

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    • Other than what I've already posted, there isn't much else on Four that I can find. The only scene that I believe she's actually in doesn't give any details about her.

      All right, I'll take another crack at the end of Doll v Elluka.

      • Elluka asks Eve why she has survived up til now, for what purpose.
      • Eve: (Purpose? I have none. And how about we listen about you in reverse? For what have you lived for? To collect the vessels of sin? ........ No. That's just your reason after the fact)

      I am assuming "reverse" is an indicator in general of flipping something to the other side; I've seen it pop up in lots of passages that have that connotation, even when the term doesn't really fit into the translation.

      Also I put after the fact for "後付", which (from what I can tell) literally means "after date of effect". Anyone else that can pitch in there would be great.

      • No purpose-----Eve words may not have been lies. Since she loses her memory with each transmigration, her subconsciously mad personality causes incidents every so often. And then, she'll pursue the remnants of her dear husband, Adam, sometimes layered on humans. It is something that cannot be understood, something twisted.

      Now the above is a bit rough but it's what I understood about the narration. It also seems to confirm Eve is under assumed identities during the course of these "lives" and doesn't seem to regain her sense of self til (I assume) after they've "died".

      As a note, "remnants" (面影; definition: face; looks; vestiges; trace) is referring to appearance. She's seeing people who have looks or traces of Adam on them. I can't say which in particular would be the best meaning.

      • Eve: (Even so, you realized it all, Elluka. How commendable/splendid. I'll give you a gift as a reward. What do you want? Poison? Or poison? Or perhaps poison? Hihahahahahahahaahahah!)
      • Eve isn't normal. She was broken a long time ago-----a long time ago. Aimlessly, she's simply spent a long time in inertia (ie, doing nothing, never changing, never taking action/control). Even if she's unlike the other demons, perhaps she is the Demon of Sloth after all.
      • Elluka: "All right-----Let's end this."
      • Elluka tightens her grip on Eve's neck.
      • Elluka: "The collapse of the Magic Kingdom-----I didn't believe it to be inevitable (I think?). A lot of time has passed since then and the power of humanity has been developing. We're no longer needed anymore. Neither mages, nor gods...... nor demons."
      • Eve: (If you want, I'll let you die nice and quick, Elluka)
      • Elluka: I'll do so when the time's right. But before that----You still remain, so I'll erase you from this world."
      • Eve: (Oh please do try. Care to tighten my neck til I break? It's futile. If this doll body is lost, I'll just find a new vessel. Whether it be a sword or a glass, even a human being would be fine. We can't be destroyed. Who do you---"
      • Elluka: "Noroku Ritosu." Elluka was chanting a short spell.
      • At that moment, her body, as well as Eve's body, were wrapped in a pink and green light.
      • Eve: (! This is-----)
      • Elluka: "Yep. You guessed it...... The Swap Technique."
      • Eve: (So you're exchanging our bodies? What's the meaning of such a----)
      • Elluka: "We're not exchanging them. You-----Your soul, is coming to me. I'll capture you....... and you'll be completely dissolved inside of me."
      • Eve: (There's no way....... such a thing is...... possible)
      • Elluka: "We won't know if we don't try, right? ...... [stuff]"

      For the above "stuff" and what follows, it's Elluka essentially saying she doesn't care if it even ends up destroying her as well. Eve's trying to talk her out of it, saying that Levianta's destruction wasn't all her fault.

      Elluka then goes onto say that if Eve's the "Original Sinner", then she's the same, then adding that it's not just them but the people of Magic Kingdom, Kiril, Irina, and Eve too.

      Continuing on:

      • Elluka: "Let's come together. Become one with me----"
      • Eve: (St..... op.....)
      • Elluka: "I'm grateful....... to get a gift from you....... So..... It's "yourself"!"
      • A quiet battle was waged. There was no sound inside the cottage, just the mage and the doll staring at one another. When fifteen minutes had passed, a pink light enveloped the entire cottage. The battle was over.

      The next scene states that Elluka came back to the Millennium Tree again, welcomed by Gumillia and Michaela.

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    • QueenCeline wrote:
      Okay, wait, so if this translation is correct, is it saying Platonic is in fact the descendant of the young lord and Eve Moonlit? Or she just some random chick?

      IMO it's very possible there was never a Platonic in the first place, just the doll/Eve under another assumed identity. It just makes little sense for the doll to get pregnant (Irregular notwithstanding), and if she was a real random person once then why the hell did she look like Eve before the doll replaced her? Believing there never was a real Platonic just seems more sensible.

      Anyways, Irina planted the doll and did away with Margarita's corpse, so she knew all along Margarita was the doll. Did she also know Platonic was the doll? Did she even know the Demon of Sloth was actually Eve?

      Questions, questions...

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    • QueenCeline wrote:
      Okay, wait, so if this translation is correct, is it saying Platonic is in fact the descendant of the young lord and Eve Moonlit? Or she just some random chick?

      It is saying that Platonic never really exist. Mikulia didn't have any descendants with the young lord because she was apparently already dead.

      The "Flower of the Plateau" was Eve. The doll even tries to confuse Elluka by arguing that Mikulia could've had children with the lord to lead to Platonic, forcing Elluka to counter that she apparently saw Mikulia die when she was young and so it couldn't be her.

      Perhaps there was a young girl who ran away from her noble family at Calgaround/Toragay. Perhaps Eve killed her and replaced her before she became "Platonic". Perhaps the entire identity and the rumors surrounding it were just that, rumors and a false life.

      Margarita Felix died shortly (or immediately) after birth; a mage (I'm guessing Julia) came by and seemingly revived her and everyone believed it. But she was simply Eve under another new identity.

      According to what I just posted, Eve believes she is all these people she becomes.


      Edit: I'll add the full narration about who Eve is. This is after Elluka asks why she's still alive.

      The Original Sinner: Eve.

      The woman who sparked the birth of the vessels of sin.

      Elluka was told the details by the former Millennium Tree: Held. Eve and Adam, and the woman who raised the twin gods of old were all living in this forest-----In this cottage that has become an abandoned house now, as a temporary family.

      When the twins were 14 years old, Eve abandoned them in the forest. It was a year after the catstrophe occurred because the Magic Kingdom's Sin went out of control. Under the influence of the catastrophe, famine and plague in Elphegort became serious. Whether it was to reduce the cost of food or another reason-----At any rate, Eve suddenly discarded the twins she had raised.

      But, the twins survived and launched a counterattack on Eve. The twins returned to the cottage of their foster parents, killed the body and souls of Eve and Adam, and then created the vessels of sin using household good that were in the cottage. Eve, who had a magical power that stood out in the Magic Kingdom, might've been the best as a subject.

      The twins created the sevel vessels and demons of sin------(they/she?) had believed so.

      But, it was different in practice.

      Only six of the vessels had been made. Six supporting demons as well. The remaining one was not a demon, but soul of Eve herself. Whether the twins realized this----or had been unaware of it, is unknown.

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    • Some more info.

      • The Rogze family member who is helping out in Toragay is プエリック (Puerikku).
      • He seems to have enough info for a minor character section and we have enough members to give the Rogze family its own article now.
      • Those afformentioned 72 survivors are being treated in a hospital in Aceid; it seems our pharmecudically knowledgable Rogze is developing a cure for the "epidemic" that plagued Toragay and caused so much anxiety in Elphegort.
      • A certain アーイ (Aai) Freesis is the new leader/commander of the Freesis Foundation. Shaw died "the other day" (of when this Shuburke article was published; November 26, 609). She was elected as his successor.
      • This new leader so happens to be the grandchild (not sure if son or daughter) of the late Shaw's sister. This character's abilities seem to include conducting business in the "New World" and contributing to the development of the Freesis Foundation.
      • It seems a ノブ=ニコール (Nob/Knob Nicole?) and Bruno Marlon (ブルーノ=マーロン) were elected as vice presidents.
      • Another headline is about the mysterious murders in Lucifenia, wondering if it's V. the Pierrot. In Rolled, the bizarre serial murders aimed at prostitute has occurred. There are already five victims. And the anxiety is spreading even to Elphegort.
      • Letters have been sent to the country's (Lucifenia or Elphegort? I assume the former) セント ファウロ Newspaper (Cent/Sent/Saint Fauro?). They (or maybe there's just one) allegedly signed by "Five the Pierrot".
      • The letter cuts off and goes into the epilogue chapter with Julia (who happens to be reading that very newspaper, it would seem); the last mention is of the world police.

      This reminds me of the Whitechapel Murders and their canonical five victims for some reason. Can't say why (cough cough prostitutes five letters cough).

      I'm getting this strong suspicion that the Freesis Foundation are the ones who discovered (or heavily invested in) Mastia and are the World Police. I'll check those scenes with Shaw and Hanne more closely now.

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    • Welp, I'm now pretty sure who Ma is.

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    • So basically, Eve is chasing after fragments of her husband. That explains what Soul of Adam is all about...

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    • Wasnt that what JAck the ripper did though? went around murdering prostitutes`?

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    • Yes, hence my sarcastic cough. XD Anyhow, more info from newspapers; I skimmed through all the excerpts in each chapter now. They're all from the Shuburke Newspaper, it would seem.

      September 2, 609

      • Even after she's been dead for several decades, the legendary writer, Yukina Freesis, continues to be loved for her work, including that of "Flower of the Plateau", inspired by the life of Mikulia Greeonio.
      • Julia Abelard is definitely the mayor of Toragay (Of course the town of all red is governed by her.... Of course)
      • She's also famed for her work in "(The) Daughter of Evil", inspired by Riliane Lucifen d'Auriche in EC 500, and "The Duke and the Four Women", inspired by the Venomania Event in EC 136.
      • Pere Noel is suspected on the attack on the Deputy Mayor in Aceid on August 15.
      • The World Police Elphegort branch head, Thomas Ackerman (トーマス=アッカーマン), stated on August 30 that they planned to adress Pere Noel and it's leader "I. the Santa Claus".
      • The deputy mayor that was injured in the incident, Mr. Banner (バーナー), is on the road to recovery.
      • There's a diva/singer named "Rin Chan/Chang/Tian" (リン チャン), who is largely popular in the Lucifenian Republic; fans flocked to get a glimpse of her in Aceid's Southern District. She'll be attending a concert in Aceid on September 10.

      September 16, 609

      • Thomas Ackerman announced on September 4 that they discovered Marquis Caspar Blankenheim's corpse on August 31 within his home (in bed).
      • Caspar had respiratory problems due to his excessive love for smoking and it's believed this was his cause of death.
      • In response to this, on November 6, the governments of Lucifenia, Marlon, and Elphegort have issued a joint statement to refrain from the abuse of tobacco, which has been coming from the New World. The Freesis Foundation and the aristocracy are strongly against this.
      • Here's a headline for you: "Now, kneel to me!" ------ Rin [Whatever]'s Concert is a great success!
      • Rin displayed all 39 of her songs, two of which recieved an encore, and she was met with great applause for her resonating "Now, kneel to me!" line.
      • A huge catch of Ziz Tiama off the west coast---- 90% of it is being exported to Levianta.
      • The Freesis Fishery Association, on September 7, had caught three times more ziz tiama than usual
      • Ziz Tiama, popularly called Aotako (アオタコ or "Blue Octopi) in Elphegort, is almost never eaten as food so 90% of it is being exported to Levianta.
      • Of the remaining 10%, half is used as livestock feed; the other half is expected to be sold as pets for some aristocracy.

      September 30, 609

      • Soldiers discover Dr. Marx Felix, father-in-law of Marquis Caspar Blankenheim who died the other day, in his home, unconcious, on September 19. As of September 29, he still hasn't awoken from critical condition. The world police plan to examine him carefully.
      • On Septermber 28, all of Toragay attended the funeral of Caspar Blankenheim. His lifelong friend, Marquis Cle Mence of Nianemu (ニアネムのクレー=メンス) and his majesty, King Soil Elphen, also attended. Margarita served as the chief mourner.
      • Rin and a ロバク (Robaku) are mentioned in a third article; not sure if the second one is a person.
      • It seems it's some kind of scandal type of thing; a "N A" (real name undisclosed) who is supposedly her former manager says some stuff. It seems to be about her not being the actual singer when she performs concerts or something.

      October 14, 609

      • On October 6, a merchant of the resident Rolled city, Tosy Corpa (トシ=コーパ) has been murdered (stabbed in the back) in his home and Rin seems to be kidnapped; she's disappeared and Corpa was her guardian.
      • Caspar is getting a memorandum done in honor of his life and achievements as Marquis; the article is cut off after saying "On August 30" he, the "eldest son of Marquis Karl Blankenheim" and then it's the next chapter.

      October 28, 609

      • 24 deaths of unknown causes occuring on October 17; I think a lot of them were children or staff members.
      • The three articles included keep on "following up" on one another regarding the incident; the world police investigating and the ast article says they ban travel between Aceid and Toragay due to this mysterious "disease" plaguing the town.
      • Due to the circumstances, the second iteration of the memorandum remembering Caspar is currently put on hold.

      November 11, 609

      • Toragay's been annhilated. On November 8, the world police announced that all the inhabitants of Toragay had died. The total number of the deceased number over 300 so far.
      • Rin is believed to have been spotted in Aceid before going missing again.
      • The coverage on the late Caspar Blankenheim has been cancelled due to the circumstances.

      My personal preference is "Rin Chan" for obvious name referencing reasons. If I get this all transcribed, I could confirm more details about these events. Either way, I think all this is very revealing.

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    • 67.67.9.165 wrote:
      So basically, Eve is chasing after fragments of her husband. That explains what Soul of Adam is all about...

      Not really. It says that she's pursuing the remnants (面影; definition: face; looks; vestiges; trace) of Adam. Ie, sometimes people have Adam's appearance and she pursues them, subconciously as these other people.

      I should've clarified that in the post. I'll edit it now to mention this. We still don't know why these looks are appearing on some of these characters and how it all connects.

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    • Riliane reincarnated?

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    • So the way I see it the Eve-is-these-characters-bit is pretty straightforward, the only thing I’m confused about in that regard is the mechanics of her hypnosis and Gift (but a clearer translation might make it easier.) I think the biggest issue with the Eve-is-these-characters news, aside from the fact that everything to do with Sloth is going to need a lot of additions/rewrites, is how we’re going to be handling these related characters pages.

      Personally, I am in favor of treating Eve like Irina and merging Margarita and Platonic’s pages into hers directly, with a rewrite of her Personality and Skills and all links to their pages redirecting to Eve’s. (Perhaps a minor character section for Margarita Felix, the baby.) All of Mikulia’s history past her death will also need to be migrated to Eve’s section. Master of the Court we should leave alone < <

      All the stuff about the twins making the demons with household items, that’s pretty interesting. It seems that the original vessels were not as metaphorical as we believed…and it makes sense now why Sloth is the only vessel that was made from something intangible (wind) in Chrono Story, and was represented by just the image of the doll rather than some wind outlines. The “why” of the twins doing this still eludes me, of course. Did they simply divide up Eve’s tainted magic and play around with it for the Evulz? Were the demons a safer alternative to her corrupted magic as a whole entity?

      And as for Elluka’s survival, although that was assured via the Merrigod Duel not happening yet, I do wonder if Eve’s soul did a number on hers or not. It could just be another tease from mothy of Elluka turning evil when she really doesn’t (Story of Evil) or maybe Eve’s fragments turn her slowly insane or maybe we should just wait until Five the Pierrot clears this up and assume she won the battle anyway.

      < < That other stuff with the descendants and the woah Bruno Marlon and Shaw is frickin’ over a hundred years old by the time he passes away I am pretty happy over that. We now know that Yukina had descendants and Kyle had descendants, but we still don’t know if they had descendants with each other pfff. Maybe that’s actually cleared up in this novel though, who knows.

      Also Lemy the Ripper is closer to Jack then we thought 8C although I think he’s going to surpass the accepted body count. Maybe Julia is specifically trying to target a prostitute whose identity she doesn’t know, because I can’t see any reason for her to fixate on those “bad children” specifically. And it seems that everyone’s assumptions about the Foundation in the old days of Gumillia-was-in-Last-Revolver were at least partially correct.

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      So the way I see it the Eve-is-these-characters-bit is pretty straightforward, the only thing I’m confused about in that regard is the mechanics of her hypnosis and Gift (but a clearer translation might make it easier.) 

      I'm still trying to figure out how this Doll is moving around and handling things. Does it just float and the hypnosis makes no one notice? Why does Margarita only suffer "Sleepless" and not "Can't Eat, Move, or Sleep-ness".

      Octofan wrote:
      Personally, I am in favor of treating Eve like Irina and merging Margarita and Platonic’s pages into hers directly, with a rewrite of her Personality and Skills and all links to their pages redirecting to Eve’s. (Perhaps a minor character section for Margarita Felix, the baby.) All of Mikulia’s history past her death will also need to be migrated to Eve’s section.

      Now that we've seemingly found the confirmation that Eve's apparently lost her memory with each "transmigration", I'm going to have to disagree. Since this is our first time having one character believe themselves to be multiple identies (pre-existing or not), it adds another element to this.

      The Margarita we're familiar with is still her own character, and Eve even admits that that Margarita believed she was human right til the end. She has her own thoughts, personality, actions. Eve was "sleeping" while Margarita lived her life. The same with Platonic, only there was potentially never a real life counterpart to begin with.

      In that case, I think these two should be left as their own individual articles and have their Early Life/Legacy sections edited with references to Eve. Eve's article would be a mess if we have to describe her as four different people in personality and abilities.

      Eve's history can summarize Margarita and Platonic's actions in their respective stories and have a "Main article" tag at the top but otherwise stay focused on her as herself. The only one I'd find tricky in this scenario would be Mikulia, though we could just migrate FotP information to Eve's article and edit Mikulia's legacy to distinguish them. 

      I agree that "Margarita Felix" needs to have a section; Let's hope more info on this alleged "revival" by a mage gets found earlier on in the light novel.

      Octofan wrote:
      Master of the Court we should leave alone < <

      Agreed. We still can't assume anything with how the light novel ends. I'll check the final scene though to confirm if Elluka brings the doll back with her to the forest. We should also double check our translations for the Gift PV.

      Octofan wrote:
      All the stuff about the twins making the demons with household items, that’s pretty interesting. It seems that the original vessels were not as metaphorical as we believed…and it makes sense now why Sloth is the only vessel that was made from something intangible (wind) in Chrono Story, and was represented by just the image of the doll rather than some wind outlines. The “why” of the twins doing this still eludes me, of course. Did they simply divide up Eve’s tainted magic and play around with it for the Evulz? Were the demons a safer alternative to her corrupted magic as a whole entity?

      So for tally, we got a seed, a few gems, a flower, an hour glass, a forest, a spring, and wind? Idk, a lot of that doesn't sound like stuff you'd find around a house. It's still stated they made seven vessels, just that one was actually Eve instead of a demon.

      Either way, the fact the twins did make some vessels for them initially (before they moved onto others/people) should be noted.

      We probably won't know why the twins did what they did. It isn't being explained here, just like it isn't explained why they have weird shadow powers (yet).

      Octofan wrote:

      And as for Elluka’s survival, although that was assured via the Merrigod Duel not happening yet, I do wonder if Eve’s soul did a number on hers or not. It could just be another tease from mothy of Elluka turning evil when she really doesn’t (Story of Evil) or maybe Eve’s fragments turn her slowly insane or maybe we should just wait until Five the Pierrot clears this up and assume she won the battle anyway.

      The battle ends with a pink, not green, light enveloping everything. Take that for what you will. Michaela's concern that Elluka is actually Elluka should also be looked into. That scene might give more closure to this ambiguous act by our lonely mage.

      Octofan wrote:

      < < That other stuff with the descendants and the woah Bruno Marlon and Shaw is frickin’ over a hundred years old by the time he passes away I am pretty happy over that. We now know that Yukina had descendants and Kyle had descendants, but we still don’t know if they had descendants with each other pfff. Maybe that’s actually cleared up in this novel though, who knows.

      Bruno Marlon, eh? I wonder if Yukina named Kyle's kid after their favorite Butler. ;p I'll look into it more. It's not mentioned which sister Shaw's grandkid hails from so it's still possible Yukina had no descendants. Let's not forget Aile!

      Octofan wrote:

      Also Lemy the Ripper is closer to Jack then we thought 8C although I think he’s going to surpass the accepted body count. Maybe Julia is specifically trying to target a prostitute whose identity she doesn’t know, because I can’t see any reason for her to fixate on those “bad children” specifically. And it seems that everyone’s assumptions about the Foundation in the old days of Gumillia-was-in-Last-Revolver were at least partially correct.

      We don't know what the purpose of Julia's acts have been. We still don't know why she's done all this with Margarita. Though it seems "Millionaire" should be its other translation of "really rich person" as she seems to be a wealthy mayor.

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    • Isn't it like memory wipe or something we could jsut split the sections into pecies like "When she turned into Margarita, yada yada"

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    • A little more I could find:

      • Bruno is the close-aide to the "chief minister" (Shaw); he lets Hanne in to meet with him in person.
      • Shaw's very polite, whether they be beggar or king, he talks to them the same (I think?); it's been a year since he last saw Hanne.
      • I thik Shaw's forgetting his age; not sure if he's 116, 117, or 115 (he's 12 in EC 505, so his first statement is probably correct). Either way, he's got a good humor about it for his miraculous age.
      • Shaw may or may not have a revenge issue with Abyss I.R. for what she did to Mommy and Daddy Freesis; I really can't tell.
      • Caspar is suspected of being Santa Claus.
      • Toragay was occupied during the Lucifenia-Elphegort War, which was when the Felix family was ousted. Hanne apparently couldn't find any material connecting them to Pere Noel however.
      • The Blankenheim family seems to have originally been a branch off-shooting from the Marlon Royal Family, but they have since been chased off to Elphegort due to the ploys of Queen Prim Marlon at the time (EC 489).
      • They later became the lords of Toragay and ruled for generations. Not a lot written on this for Hanne either.
      • New Four Horsemen Incident crops up as references to Pale Noel, along with Pere Noel. Mikhail Asayev, Neo Apocalypse. It's all referenced here.
      • We've got a Constable エイン=アンカー (Ein Ankaa (Anchor)); I want to say he's part of the investigation team looking into Caspar's death.
      • Caspar had a Levin funeral, Levia sect.
      • Apparently the world police were investigating Caspar having a potential connection with the "black market" but he was killed before they could get any evidence.
      • The funeral has a priest, holy water poured on the coffin, scripture readings, choirs singing (basically, Christianity).
      • Hanne meets Margarita at the funeral; she was looking for her then saw the chief mourner remove her veil and (what a surprise), Hanne is startled by her features.
      • Hanne was apparently reminded of something in Yukina's journals and it caused her laugh out loud during the funeral, unable to control herself; she was kicked out as a result.
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      Did they simply divide up Eve’s tainted magic and play around with it for the Evulz?

      From the deep dark recesses of EC tumblr...
      H and G, no

      This is exactly what I pictured when Octo said that.

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    • Me agrees with Servy's suggestion; about the Eve Mikulia issue I'd say that we should have two separated pages, one being Mikulia Greeonio and the other being the doll/Eve Mikulia. About her name, I'd say Mikulia Calgaround (or whatever is her husband's surname) We could even call her Flower of the Plateau if we don't know her surname.  For Eve I'd say short summaries about her 'other lives'. About the Sin of Sloth page, I think we should do what we did with Banica, which is copy pasting the info on Eve's page until the Doll vs Elluka thing :p


      Edit: Servy  confirms the Calgaround surname. Yay!

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    • On that note, I was looking around the scene where we got the portrait of Mikulia and the Calgaround lord. The nameplate reads:

      • <"Earl Calgaround and His Wife" by Gumina Glassred>
      • Hanne stares at the portrait in silence. She seems to be in Aceid but I need to check earlier in the scene to confirm. She takes a coachman to Toragay at the end.
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    • Hmm. I agree with Servy's suggestion of leaving them all on separate pages and just linking to Eve's pages and vice-versa about everything. In my opinion, they are their own characters and feel like such. They practically are since Eve loses her memories each time and they presume their life as long at their true nature is mentioned somewhere I give it a thumbs up. However I feel like FoP should be cut out of Mikulia's page and left on Eve's page but besides dat its all good~. I wonder if because know we know who the demon is, should we still keep the Sin of Sloth its own page? I mean most of everything will probably be on

      Eve's page but then that would cause a weirdness in there being other Sin pages but not a Sloth one. I'd say a redirect but it's not really the same thing as a page.....

      Btw, I'm wondering if we could possibly have a Blankenheim Family Page in the future or would we just add them to the Marlon Royal Family? I don't know I feel like they're distinct enough to have their own page. So far we have Carl and Caspar but since Caspar is called the "eldest son" I'm suspecting at least one more sibling in the family.

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    • Evils Theater wrote:
      I wonder if because know we know who the demon is, should we still keep the Sin of Sloth its own page? I mean most of everything will probably be on

      Eve's page but then that would cause a weirdness in there being other Sin pages but not a Sloth one. I'd say a redirect but it's not really the same thing as a page.....

      I think it's the same as with Banica. Our sin pages can function as pseudo-character pages and as miscellaneous pages like Magic or other characters. The subject matter isn't focused on the character but the actions of the vessel/demon. We still have to follow the Doll and what happens with it.

      Evils Theater wrote:
      Btw, I'm wondering if we could possibly have a Blankenheim Family Page in the future or would we just add them to the Marlon Royal Family? I don't know I feel like they're distinct enough to have their own page. So far we have Carl and Caspar but since Caspar is called the "eldest son" I'm suspecting at least one more sibling in the family.

      A new policy that was going into effect would be if a family tree necessitated our requirements for the page, whether there were enough actual members with character pages/sections.

      The Rogze's were planned to be part of this because Presi and Prim being siblings required a family tree to include an unknown mom and dad to display the connection, thereby making four members.

      I think the same can count for Caspar, since we know who his dad is and therefore there has to be a mom.

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    • @Servant of Evillious

      1.Casper found dead from smoking? we all know that's all utter bullshit but smoking is bad after all XD.

      2.Rin-Chan? concert?? "Now,Kneel to me!"??? That sounds like a huge reference of the Vocaloid concert feating both "The Daughter of Evil" and "The Servant of Evil", except the second song was excluded in this case.

      3.I still can't believe that my favorite character was dead from a young age, and that the Margarita we're looking at is is Eve Moonlit in a doll's body, but all the sinners we're alive and human by the time they commit their sins' how's that possible???????

      -Tomboy Jessie

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    • Easy. Margarita is the exception, and the Demon of Sloth is also an exception.

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    • Servant of Evillious wrote:
      • Here's a headline for you: "Now, kneel to me!" ------ Rin [Whatever]'s Concert is a great success!
      • Rin displayed all 39 of her songs, two of which recieved an encore, and she was met with great applause for her resonating "Now, kneel to me!" line.

      Rin's music career seems to be a nice little sidestory to this mystery novel, I think. I wonder if there's more to her than just a random idol, and whether her story will be continued in the Five the Pierrot novel.

      Anyways, the whole "39" is obviously a reference to either Miku's name meaning and/or the 39's Giving Day concert irl, as Jessie pointed out. That could work as trivia for either the character or the novel

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    • I don't know what's funnier, that the potential crime lord allegedly died of a drug problem, or that it became an international issue.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the sudden restrictions on tobacco abuse and its effect on trade sparks the chain that will cause Mastia to separate from whoever holds dominion over it (assuming it is the New World they talk about).

      Anyhow, Chapter A got transcribed so I'll take a crack at its contents:

      • Since Margarita was  born, she didn't sleep; it's the norm for her but not for others. Her Father noticed this when she was a baby.
      • It was said the child might be (and here's a quote) a "child of god" or something of interest from a medical perspective.
      • It seems Margarita remembers this despite being a baby at the time. She considers that she might actually be a child of god.
      • Her Father seemed to examine her often as a child to find out why she didn't sleep,  but gradually lost interest since she was an otherwise normal girl.
      • It's always been ruled as a "mere mutation" or some other ambiguous conclusions. Margarita's counted over a dozen times this has happened. Her Father eventually decided to just quit.
      • Because.... There was another use for her, her Father began focusing on the people there. That day, she went to a noble house in this town to live with its noble family.
      • There, she came across him for the first time. He was a boy with blue hair.

      This is what's revealed to us at the end of Chapter 1. The prologue is the first time we here Margarita's narrations like this.

      Since the story seems to be consistently told from Hanne's/Elluka's perspective, I feel these would give us great insight into Margarita's character.

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    • I'm still waiting to see Casper be bigger scum than the bloody cat. Lol

      Eve being the freaking' demon of Sloth I was not expecting--

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    • I know and it seems like Caspar's jobs are relating closer and closer to drugs, pffft. I'm guessing Chapter 2 and 3 is probably going to go in more to that seeing as he dies in Chapter 4.

      That's really cute how she meets Caspar. I'm expecting the longer she lives there the more drawn she became to him (bonus for the Adam look-a-like). I'm expecting more insight on his character too and how grew up to be how he was. I mean I think when he was younger he's got to have been somewhat kind and special for her to think about his promise for so long and be so saddened by his cheating and wanting to only use her money seemingly. Not to mention him being a scumbag-

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    • Alternatively, the "promise" may have actually been a dormant memory of Eve's bleeding through. the promise between Adam and Eve to wed in Held's forest. :V /Speculation/

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    • All right, so from what I can tell, the second to last chapter with Margarita (besides the epilogue) goes in this order:

      • Battle with Julia scene (226-243)
      • Margarita's suicide scene (243-251)
      • Scene with "Rin Chan" in prison(?) (252-256)

      I'll add more but this scene with Rin Chan is important.

      • Rin is in a separate prison(?) or something of that sort, tied with rope; Elluka is surprised when she thanks her.
      • The girl looks just like Princess Riliane; the narration points out that whenever the vessels of sin cause incidents she seemed to always find people that look like people of her past.
      • Margarita was the same; Caspar was too.
      • Caspar, Kyle, and Kachess were all men with blue hair; of course, they were all relatives of the Marlon Royal Family. She always thought this was due to their heritage.
      • Elluka also knew another man who happened to resemble them. A man living in the Magic Kingdom. Elluka never directly met that person.
      • The Magic Kingdom apparently has one of these 受像機. The kanji means a "(television) receiever machine" but I'm not sure how to translate that into Leviantan.
      • Elluka saw Adam on the doohickey, hence why she knows what he looks like. The narration suggest Elluka's considering looking into the Marlon blood ties.
      • Rin Chan might also have blood ties with Riliane. It's because Gumillia notices this resemblance that she went after her (I think?).
      • Gumillia: "Now, let's go. Sending you up to Rolled." She extends out her arm while saying this but Rin Chan shakes her a lot an refuses.
      • She asks if she can go anywhere else. She doesn't want to go back to Rolled. Seems to be something about her lip-syching thing.
      • Gumillia: "Huh!?" For the first time ever, Elluka saw Gumillia put on a blantantly upset face.
      • Gumillia seems to be saying "Robaku.... Rin Chan...." repeatedly. I better look into who/what Robaku is. All the same, this was apparently very shocking to her.
      • Elluka says they should just drop her off in Aceid for the time being in her playful Elluka way.
      • A coachman was waiting at the entrance to the town. Elluka was so busy in thought and Gumillia was apparently still in shock about Rin Chan's lip-syncing and hadn't regained composure. So they didn't noticed that there was one other person hiding in the room.
      • Elluka didn't immediatley understand what had so suddenly happened. There was a long blade protruding from her belly. No. Someone had stabbed her from behind.
      • ???: "You~ weren't paying attention~, Miss Elluka Clockworker." (that's really rough but the general idea)
      • It wasn't Rin Chan's voice, nor Gumillia's obviously; but the voice and tone was familiar.
      • Elluka: "W....... ho...... are.... you....." Elluka summons up all her strength to turn around and sees sword owner was wearing a cloth over his head and mouth, making her unable to see his face.
      • Elluka: The (former?) librarion of the royal library-------the man who sparked Elluka to go to Toragay (I think?).
      • Gumillia: "No!" She  shoot at the man but he quickly pulls out his sword and  (I think) deflects them.
      • ???: "My name is Six the Venom--------. I have taken out (killed) Elluka Clockworker at the Calgaround Mayor's home."
      • Gumillia fires again and one of the shots grazes Venom's head, tearing the cloth her wore. Long, purple hair hung from the cloth. He walks backwards and puts one foot on the stairs.
      • Venom: "Farewell!" He then runs up the stairs. Gumillia discards the gun and rushed over to Elluka, blood pouring from the mage's belly.
      • Rin: "ぐつ" (I think that means goodbye but I'm not sure).
      • Rin's either dead, escaped, or just making a comment in the corner of the room; it's really not made clear.
      • Elluka had eternal youth but she wasn't immortal in any way; If she was slashed and not healed, she would die.

      I think Rin Chan is this Mayrana and Four the Shadow. I can't understand what's happening exactly.

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    • 67.67.9.165 wrote:
      Easy. Margarita is the exception, and the Demon of Sloth is also an exception.

      That maybe a good point but that means I have to delete my fanfic :'( .

      And as for you @DemonDamian, I thank you for noticing my theory of this Rin-Chan character. -Tomboy Jessie

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    • Well, shit.

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    • Jessie, just make a note that it's AU or was written prior to the reveal?

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    • As an update, 214/300 scans have been made. I might be able to finish scanning the novel within a week's time at this rate.

      I'd also like to add that Hanne (Elluka) getting thrown out of a funeral for laughing sounds like something she'd do.

      Looking at the pic with Margarita and Hanne examining the herbs, I picked up on...

      • Margarita explaining that she used to help her father before she was married and had become rather savvy with medicinal ingredients.
      • Hanne asks if the world police could check the contents of her boxes with herbs and Margarita says "Of course" (of course); she also mentions that "Rogze-sensei" already checked them and didn't see anything poisonous about them (how far the Rogzes hath fallen).
      • Shaw's grandchild  and planned successor (Dashaw, ダーショ) died in the Lioness burning incident; a fire started up near the castle and swept up the whole town, even burning the roses there. Deshaw was visiting
      • Hanne was also there in attendance; I think Deshaw died in an attempt to protect Hanne from the fires, causing himself to be consumed in the flames (no pronouns are used so I am struggling with the context).
      • Elluka Clockworker was said to have appeared during that incident and it seems the blame fell to her as rumor spread of her sighting (I'll have to double check this too).
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    • Oh Elluka :)

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    • 67.67.9.165 wrote:
      Jessie, just make a note that it's AU or was written prior to the reveal?

      K. Thanks WC. :-) 

      -Tomboy Jessie

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    • Could the Lioness Burning Incident be inspired by the Great Fire of London?

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    • Maybe? I'm not familiar with the event so I'm not sure how similar or different they are. Lioness town isn't the capital of Marlon and fires are pretty common but that doesn't mean it necessarily wasn't inspired by it.

      One important fact. mothy stated he made a mistake in the prose about Caspar's birthdate. The error? He states Caspar was born on August 30, 508. It's supposed to be 588. He's really sorry for the typo.

      That puts Margarita at 16 and Caspar at 21 when they die.

      Edit: To help get some more info in this post, I'll look at a few pages around the other story illustrations.

      • Hanne is apparently in prison; Constable Ein is there, as well as Heidemarie.
      • The constable seems to say something like "you aren't Elluka Clockworker" as some sort of off-hand comment. The "atmosphere" around the two sisters suddenly changes.
      • The reporter notes what he said and slowy approaches him, explaining that he's mistaken. She holds up a hand to Ein's chest.
      • Ein: "S-Stop....... What are you going to...... Hanne Lorre."
      • Hanne: ""Hanne Lorre"------No. That's not my real name."
      • In a prison where there wasn't a single window, an impossible wind began to blow.
      • Hanne: "I'll tell you it as thanks for helping me. My real name-----" And the window continues to gain momentum. Enough so that it was likely to blow away Ein.
      • Ein: "N-No way......."
      • Hanne: "My name is-----"
      • ----- "Elluka Clockworker" -----
      • Immediately after hearing those words, Ein loses consciousness. His body was thrown against the prison wall.

      That was for the ominous looking Hanne pose. The next scene has Elluka changing her clothes back to her usual attire and washing her face and hair to remove the dyed green.

      Now for the pic with Heidemarie and Hanne at gun point.

      • Hanne was sleeping soundly when at midnight she heard  a lot of noise outside her room. She wakes up half asleep.
      • She notices a light outside her window that the sounds are coming from; suddenly the light grows until it consumes the entire window and she barely avoids the debris as she runs out of the room, demolishing her window.
      • There's a Brigitta (ブリギッタ) mentioned; she comes up the stairs slowly, complaining about fireworks at that hour or something.
      • Brigitta apparently see's Hanne's room and sighs, noticing they've been hit and suggests they run away. Apparently there's a bit of chaos in Toragay and a loud collision sound is heard where the violence is coming from.
      • One of them suggests they hide in the attic for the time being to hold out against intruders and they do so.
      • They later hear footsteps of a lone person and a woman yelling "Come out, Rin Chan!"; Brigitta asks about her name and Hanne reminds her she's Hanne Lorre.
      • Hanne ends up coming down from the attic to explain the situation; Heidemaries takes a little while to realize it's Hanne so she raises her hands and sighs when she says "don't move".
      • This is apparently their first reunion in a long time. I believe Heidemarie says she was chasing the kidnapper, Rin Chan.

      I think that gives us enough context to all the pics to confirm who's who and add the images to the appropriate articles (and the novel page). I'm giving a pass for us to add them at least.

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    • Well.... I had 20 pages worth of info translated. Had. Power surge ruined that and I will now make sure to c/p these extensive write ups to word documents like I usually do so this doesn't happen again. Anyhow, I'll summarize what I can remember again:

      • Hanne's on her way to Calgaround at the beginning of the novel (by carriage); she intends to write an article on the town, particularly on the Flower of the Plateau. She's interviewing the mayor, Julia.
      • Freesis Foundation created the world's first newspaper.
      • Yukina's memoirs detail her travels there which seem to be the origins of her story she wrote about 70s years ago. Kyle's mentioned in them as well.
      • The town used to be a vacation place for the royal family up til a hundred years ago; after that period, there was a reform and governance was transferred to elected mayors instead of aristocracy.
      • The people of Calgaround seem to worship "our lady", and there's a portrait of the virgin mother of the twin gods, Meta there. This seems to be due to her association with the Plateau when it was still a territory of the Magic Kingdom and the headquarters of Apocalypse.
      • Theories about Meta (I am not sure the specifics yet), are denied by the Levia sect faith in Levin and those that aren't following their doctrine on this are heavily oppressed.
      • This effectively makes them "heretics" but Hanne's not getting wrapped up in a religious conflict. Her focus is on her interview with Julia. And the New Four Horsemen Incident was apparently partially due to this oppression.
      • When they finally get around to talking about the Flower of the Plateau, Mikulia's story comes to light.
      • She was an outsider but was loved by the people, named the "Flower of the Plateau" in reference to the Greeonian Plateau Roses that were also very beautiful.
      • A record written during King Sohni (Thorny?) Elphen's time by Hermann Belz lists the civilians of the town; Mikulia's husband had been Gilbert Calgaround, born in 118 and dead in 151. He died of an unknown disease.
      • It was said that two people came to town. One was a man saying Mikulia was a "lustful woman" and the other was a boy claiming to ber her son. They disappeared shortly after they came to town.
      • Sometime after Mikulia's death, two bodies were found in a well (I believe the mansion's well) and rumors of these unidentifiable corpses being those two spread. Mikulia's also sometimes believed to have killed her husband too but there's no apparent motive.
      • Mikulia's birth and death dates are listed as unknown.
      • Julia drinks milk.
      • The rose's root is famed as being very medicinal; shamans of old (they aren't around anymore) were said to be able to refine it into a powerful medicine. However, this "Gift" as the shamans called it was "too effective" and effectively made it a poison instead of a sleeping drug.
      • Mikulia might've known of the shamans and so Gift was made for her to kill her husband (and possibly her other victims) but it's impossible to know now.
      • Julia remembers that the estate was built on the old royal lands and that there was an old royal library that has a portrait of Gilbert and Mikulia (this is where I had the power outage), illustrated by Gumina Glassred (as the prime minister) while visiting the land.

      I'll go through this again to get a bit more of the chronology and back and forth of Hanne and Julia. I also am not sure yet if this is Julia's home or somewhere else. If Gatto was pretending to be the librarian, I'll be able to check the next scene to confirm it.

      Edit: Next scene is at the royal library. Narration says it's a ten minut walk from the mayor's house, so that means the previous scene of Hanne's interview with Julia was there.

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    • Here's the library scene:

      • Hanne goes to the library and finds the portrait; she stares at it until a man obscuring his face with a cloth notes it was rare to have visitors.
      • Hanne has a habit of scratching her head every now and then; this is because she hasn't washed her hair in days (foreshadowing the fact it's dyed).
      • It's a man (this is probably the VI she recognizes towards the end) and they get in a small conversation over who she is and what she does; the librarian then offers for her to check their vault and she goes searching.
      • The Shuburke Newspaper is a company under the Freesis Foundation umbrella.
      • I'm not sure why but the librarian and Elluka are getting into an argument; the world police comes up as well as the "lost list" for Yukina's Freesis Fairy Tales. I am under the presumption Elluka can't find the Flower of the Plateau story Yukina wrote anywhere.
      • Freesis Foundation is also the founder of the World Police as a means to look out for their own interests and crack down on illegal activity internationally.

      Overall, Chapter 1 seems to be a set up. It's three scenes that covers roughly 40 pages, Hanne on her ride to Calgaround, Hanne interviewing Julia, and Hanne getting the plot rolling after discovering the painting with Mikulia at the library.

      Of those, we mostly get lots of world building and a lot of exposition regarding Flower of the Plateau. Before this, the prologue just establshed some facts about Margarita and set up the intrigue of her close friend being Elluka Clockworker.

      I'm going to try to do this with the next few chapters so we at least get some idea how the events are playing out. We can then go back and focus on fleshing out scenes more to better understand the why's/how's.

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      • Hanne goes to Toragay afterward but it's already dark by the time she arrives; she checks into an inn.
      • Mastia is the "New World' discovered recently; it's a continent.
      • A single adventure was given the resources and funding from the Freesis Foundation to explore out west past Marlon.
      • The discovery of Mastia and what it brought to Evillious as goods and resources increased the power and authority of the Freesis Foundation exponentially. 
      • Felix family ruled Toragay for generations before being ousted; Marlon and Elphegort's relationship was tense due to the conflicts of that period but has recovered by now.
      • Previous Marlon King had red hair (Probably a  reference to Arkatoir); the current King has black hair.
      • Something about the previous scene with the librarian tipped Elluka off about the book she was looking for and Pere Noel; this is why she now suspects that Caspar might be the leader of Pere Noel or acquainted with them. She plans to meet him.
      • Hanne leave the inn to visit the Marquis; meets a Butler at the door after a long silence and tries to get an audience with him before the butler states that the Marquis is dead (wait, so does that mean Caspar's been dead for the entirety of the book?).
      • Hanne freaks out and asks questions and nearly gets shut in when Dr. Felix comes by and welcomes her inside.
      • Caspar died along with the woman next to him; it wasn't Margarita.
      • Hanne wants to talk with Margarita but Marx states she is deeply shocked by the incident and won't let the reporter see her.
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    • So I guess that (unless Margy poisoner both Caspar and the women with him) the gift is contagious and spreads with the direct contact of bodily liquids (like ebola, for instance).

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    • It's possible. We also don't know how the town gets eradicated or how it manages to get mistaken for a "disease" rather than a poison.

      Margarita or Julia may have found a way to take the standard Gift and make it like a plague.

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    • It's possible she poisoned a drink, and he happened to share it with the woman? Or laced his cigarettes?

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    • 67.67.9.165 wrote:
      It's possible she poisoned a drink, and he happened to share it with the woman? Or laced his cigarettes?

      It's all possible. Since the scenes so far seem to follow Hanne, i think Margarita's "Chapters" at the end of each chapter might give us more details.

      Otherwise, I can always look for mentions of "gift" among the sea of Japanese to see if the method of Caspar's demise is ever discovered.

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    • Mastia is the "New World" and is west of Marlon (Britain)? Sounds a lot like America to me. I wonder why mothy put their declaration of independence so late in the chronology, though...

      Oh, and Servy, the Great Fire of London took place during the 1600's, which roughly translates to the timeframe of the Lioness Burning Incident.

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    • "Margarita, fix me and my lady friend a drink, won't you doll?"

      I wonder if the Marlon King with Black Hair will be showing up any time soon > > I guess it could just be part of the Arkatoir reference and he won't be important, but still. Nice to see a lot of this lore, too ouo especially about Mastia. It's funny because I did think it was iffy for Ma to have tobacco if there wasn't an Americas equivalent (but....they also had tomatoes in Banica's time, so....)

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    • GreekTelepath wrote:
      Snip.

      I'd say it could be that he (a) doesn't have to follow real world chronology or events to the number and/or (b) he didn't decide to add Mastia til afterward (I'm leaning on (b), personally).

      Thanks for the clarification, but I'd say that shouldn't translate to the timeframe as 1600s Britain would be closer to EFEC's era. The French Revolution is in the early 1800s and that's long after the fire.

      Actually, now that I say that. The Lunacy and EFEC era's draw more parallels to the decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

      To be fair, Evilllious' events are so loosely (and inconsistently) based on rl stuff, mothy could say they have cars in Margarita's era and I'd believe it.

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      Since we were adding pics, I edited together the one of two colored illustrations featuring Caspar. It came out better than I expected, tbh. Anyone against us using this as his new infobox avi?

      I also realized this guy's probably not going to get any quotes of his own at this point.

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    • I vote yes, this picture is nice.

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    • oUo I like it!

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    • I say sì.

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    • I vote yes as well, pls.

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    • I vote yes also, I don't want to hear a peep from that blue haired candy ass playboy, though Ichika's(and Suzunosuke's) art makes any jerkwad look good.

      -Tomboy Jessie

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