I just really want to hear what some peoples theories are for who the girl is that appears in these two songs. My personal theory is that the girl is Waiter but that's just what I believe and I'd really like to see what others believe and stuff
I just really want to hear what some peoples theories are for who the girl is that appears in these two songs. My personal theory is that the girl is Waiter but that's just what I believe and I'd really like to see what others believe and stuff
We don't actually know that FML is before the catastrophe - CL0 probably is, and Wordplay probably is as well, but FML's place on the timeline is officially unknown. That said, I do think it's before.
Of course, what I was meaning to say wasn't that Irina was necessarily singing during FML while possessing this Rin - the two songs may be during different points in time, and Irina's repeat of the lines and melody of FML are more thematic than literal. The melodic and lyrical callback only begins after Irina's soul is implanted in the cat, allowing her the ability to take over another person - with my theory in mind (and I note that this is like, 99% speculation and should be taken with a grain of salt), this would be the point (with a slightly accelerated timeframe, of course - the space between the verse and the chorus logically would probably have a timeskip because... well... somehow I don't see a stuffed cat doing experiments) where she takes over another person.
Irina had just been implanted with the next ghoul children when the catastrophe occurred. She was in the Royal Institute at the time, and therefore if any other people were around who survived (say, an underground level of the facility) would likely be a scientist.
With that in mind, it would be like this:
Wordplay, CL1, FML - before the catastrophe, sung by this theoretical Rin character who is being raised by the scientists behind Project MA and assisting in the experiments.
Song I Heard Somewhere - during/after the catastrophe, sung by Irina. The first chorus of the song occurs directly after possessing this Rin, and is why the callback exists - now she has "become" this girl, to some degree, the song repeats her lines and melody from FML to cement the connection and that this is the body she is using. (Also, we do know that the Swap Technique is imperfect and that the original body's conciousness could resurface, so the repeated lines and continuation of Seth's experiments could be a remnant of the girl's original personality.)
Though, again, a lot of this hinges on some very specific things - that this Rin exists, that she survived the catastrophe to be possessed - and while I feel like it would explain a lot, I recognize that it's highly speculative and involves a lot of logical leaps and inferences that could and likely are incorrect.
To the above, I personally don't think CL0 has any connection to Wordplay or FML, simply because of the words. The singer of CL0 seems to be, how do I put this, above it all. She seems to look down on humans, saying they'll never be satisfied and that they carry the sin of greed. Contrast the girl in Wordplay, who seems either young or curious and is trying to understand the world.
CL0 is Wordplay. You mean CL1 (Clockwork Lullaby)?
Yeah, my bad!
I also do agree that the singer of Clockwork Lullaby might not be the same singer in Wordplay, but it also seems more likely that it is.
CL1's connection to FML is pretty tenuous, but Wordplay quotes lines from CL1. It's my thought that CL1 is the person that the girl in Wordplay becomes, having had her innocence broken and weathered through her evil.
Well, Wordplay links pretty solidly to both CL1 and FML, so while the latter two don't have a strong direct link, through Wordplay they are undeniably connected? So, sort of via association - if the singer of Wordplay is the singer of CL1 and the singer of Wordplay is the singer of FML, then the singer of CL1 is the singer of FML.
It definitely seems like mothy's intent is for us to believe they're all the same singer. Even if it later turns out to not be the case, I feel like he's directed the story so that "they're the same girl" is the intuitive assumption.
I've sarcastically joked that the Mystery Rin is more than one character on chat, but there might be some validity there.
That said, CL1, Wordplay and FML don't sound terribly like Irina. For all we know, mothy's pulling another red herring like he did with Re_birthday, Allen and Irregular all being the same thing.
CL1, Wordplay, and FML seem to all be about the 5th Ma candidate's daughter. Her connection to Irina is that she was Irina's first host. Although I don't think that Irina was possessing her for any of the songs.
Wordplay is when she's young, before the catastrophe happens. CL1 takes place at some unspecified time as she observes people being evil and criticizing them for it.
FML is definitely connected to Irina, but in the translation that I've seen, it said before they disappeared, they said "you must continue with your experiment." "They" refers to 2 or more people, so if Seth in The Song I Heard Somewhere is one person, then the other person might be Irina. If I'm right, then Irina left her host to continue experimenting before FML.
Creating the person who created me makes somewhat more sense in this context. This girl would be pretty lonely in a lab by herself, and decide to create someone to keep her company. Considering that she was raised by Project Ma scientists, she might model her new friend after one of them, so that's why Keel was created.
Quote: FML is definitely connected to Irina, but in the translation that I've seen, it said before they disappeared, they said "you must continue with your experiment." "They" refers to 2 or more people, so if Seth in The Song I Heard Somewhere is one person, then the other person might be Irina. If I'm right, then Irina left her host to continue experimenting before FML.
Nope, the use of "they" here is because the gender of the person being referred to is unknown. The words used are "ano hito" - "that person", without using any actual pronouns - a translation that sticks closer to that sentiment is "Before disappearing, that person said to me, 'I can no longer return here. You must continue with your experiment.'" If it was two or more people, the lyrics would reflect that, but they don't - the fact of the matter is, "they" is a legitimate singular pronoun (especially in the context of an unknown subject) and doesn't always refer to a group.
Obviously I agree with the idea of the singer being the fifth project's result since I put forward the idea earlier, but nothing in the lyrics of FML indicate that there's more than one person being referred to.
Darn it! I don't know any Japanese, so I didn't know that the "they" was singular.
I still think that FML takes place after Irina abandons her host, which she does sometime after deciding to seek revenge. The girl is probably more loyal to Seth than Irina is, so she continues to do what she was told while Irina runs off to get back at Elluka.