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DemonDamian wrote: Coppélia wrote: Snip The difference between Conchita and Nemesis is how they are referred to. After becoming the demon, she's only ever called "Master of the Graveyard" or "Demon of Gluttony". The EFEC epilogue is in her PoV and it always refers to her as "The demon". The only one to call her Banica is Sickle, and that's only to say how she's stopped being human. Nemesis, however, is still called by that name as a dictator and during the development of "Punishment" in 998, and Master of the Hellish Yard has the line "I am become the Master of the Hellish Yard", stating her taking of the title (Which, canonically, has to occur before Capriccio Farce).

Master of the Court (the song) is very explicit in saying the doll is taking Gallerian's title, not Held's or any magical being's. Her being the Master is not linked to magic at all. Maybe it's linked to Sickle's "Four Ends" rule, but the doll seems to not be aware of it, and that point still needs to be ellaborated on.

Finally, on the "truth" part, I don't change my vote, Gallerian has been shown on both the Venomania Epilogue and the side manga to see "Michelle" as human sized, are you saying TMoN is lying by showing us a two, maybe three feet tall doll? The image does its job, showing Gallerian's perception is not to be trusted. Either way, Nemesis parentage has nothing to do with Levianta's Civil War, it explains her motives, but as flashbacks they dont enter the story of the Civil War itself or its veracity. Most of this information is from Conchita's novel, but we don't have that for Nemesis. Based on the MotHellY song info, after she became the Master of the Hellish Yard, no one called her that aside from herself (if this is your theory).

As I've said earlier, imo Gallerian's MotC title was just an alias in the Dark Scandle Court. She might be taking up his title since she is his "daughter". Her existence is linked to magic, she is an awakened vessel of Sloth with Greed's power. I agree with it being linked to the Four Ends, there is a reason why Sickle states that the end is near and there are 3 others sharing the title of Gods, have appeared (in most religions, an apocalypse starts with the appearance of their gods on earth/humanity). Levia once being the MotHellY, has probably reappeared. Being the twin of Behemo, I think she's also an awakened vessel, just like MotGY (aka Bancia). Though of course these are just theories, but possibilities as plot twisters.

That part I agree, for I was exaggerating a bit to get my point across. We can't just take Leviantia Civil War (truth) and label all of Gallerian's approach as false. We would have to analysis this, which would make this even messier. It's also no like the doll never became full sized. Once the vessel of sloth awakened, it turned full sized (at least by the looks of the images of MotC). Maybe he too saw the awakened version of the vessel of Wrath as the MotHY? Also, Sickle is refered to the MotHeavenY because there is a Heavenly Yard. If there is a Heavenly Yard, then there should also be the reverse, as Levia was dubbed MotHellY. Just because you think Gallerian is delusional, doesn't mean this Hellish Yard doesn't exisist at all.



67.66.94.125 wrote: Okay, I have a question: how do we handle the identical events and NOT merging them? I have yet to receive an answer to this, and it is something we HAVE to consider. People are GOING to get confused by it. Do we not put any updates on Hellish's article? Do we cut the album info from Nemesis'? What do we do? People are GOING to get confused by identical events in two articles and question how they AREN'T the same person.

And I also question why anyone is attached to the idea of Master of the Hellish Yard as a for-sure supernatural entity and not as human as two of our Masters seem to be (if Irregular is indeed Heavenly) as that seems to be a major facor in considering Nemesis as NOT Hellish. Have you ignored my post about repetition? I have already answered the question on "How would we handle their separate articles and how to not confuse them". If you choose to ignore these replies, then I will ignore yours. Anon, please read before you comment.

67.66.94.125 wrote: It isn't risky to merge the pages. We don't just have songs, we have an entire album booklet that heavily points to Nemesis beng Hellish to where I can't see any possible way these two are separate people without bringing in alternate and parallel universes, which haven't even been remotely hinted at.

As well, saying that Gallerian's perception isn't necessarily wrong brings up a huge point: if his version isn't necessarily wrong, then it means that we aren't sure if the Doll is still tiny or actually human-sized. We have precedence with things marked "truth" and how they are 100% true with DoE/SoE. By saying that MoN isn't necessarily 100% the truth of the events, then you are saying that DoE is just as true and not just perception.

No one has explained to me how it's possible for Nemesis and Hellish to be two separate people in an adequate way. This is not bias, and claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is obviously biased is actually very poor debate skills and ethics, and means I actually really don't want to debate with you because then it makes your own biases obvious and I'd really rather not be on the receiving end of passive-aggressive test. Especially when you call other people names because you don't like the outcome that seems to be on the way. I've looked at the facts, and they just don't make sense any other way.

Unlike Michaela's death, which had another plausible explanation which we got. I'm not seeing one for Hellish and Nemesis, mainly because there's only ever been one item called the Golden Key in all of Evillious Chronicles, and that's the Wrath Key. As well, the burning of the forest is too specific and either it was burned down twice or they're the same person.

And that's all I'm going to say, this anon is out. A lot of people have explained to you in many forms and ways on how it's possible, but you choose not to read. I've already covered all of this, I'm done with replying to Anon 67.66.94.125.

Alexiel Lucifen wrote: just letting people know, Mothy did say there wasn't going to be a Wrath noval. A Greed novel would be enough to confirm about Nemesis, and even if there isn't that either then we know for sure Mothy a tweet/short story/pv about Nemesis or MotHellY, we all know Mothy doesn't like to leave a 7DS sinner without a decent plot twist. Also, V. Pierrot novel will give out many clue about Pere Noel and as I said before; Santa and VIII. Sniper. Watch out, Nemesis=Gumillia plot twist coming through. Also even the Envy novel could give for info about Ma and her stance in this.