Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20140612134000/@comment-6192846-20140824040308

GreekTelepath wrote: In my opinion, I think the song is in the same situation as Flower of the Plateau - closely related to a Seven Deadly Sins song, but not actually part of the series - and should be treated as such. It seems that the only purpose of the song is to expound more on Nemesis' backstory. I think this is a good summation of it for anyone who wants to argue it.

I have the same argument for Blink; I wouldn't rule the series on any of these besides Master of the Hellish Yard. mothy's said it himself, his Seven Deadly Sins song series is done and End of the Four has one more song to go.

I wouldn't rule on any of these songs as part of a series for now, including Blink.

Speaking of which, I'm assuming we're all in agreement that the singer is Riliane and the sapling is Michaela. We'll be adding in plot summaries and Appearances to the song page so any objections should be said now.

I think we can also all agree on Elluka and Gumillia being our characters in Journey. To summarize the song contents from the lyrics:


 * The duo is coming from the west to seek the cursed swords; they come across a big wall.


 * They approach the wall but the watchman's under orders from the King to not let anyone but their people through.


 * They color their hair black, like the man, but he points out their skin is such an odd white and doesn't let them through.


 * They color their skin with mud, like the man, but he points out their eyes are such an odd color.


 * After he somewhat boasts that the wall and him are necessary to protect their nation, the furious Elluka conjures a wind to blow him away.


 * The duo open the gates to go to the other side but find nothing's there (and the song questions what the watchman was protecting).


 * The duo continue on their journey until they are stopped by a big sea (irony).

So the major points would be

(a) Do we consider the guard/watchman from Snakeland and the wall some barrier?

(b) Do we consider the cursed sword(s) the twin swords of Levianta?

(c) Should the watchman get his own little minor char section and, if so, where?

Personally, my answer is yet to all of them.

I think it's clear that's the intention mothy has was that this is part of their journey to Snakeland (whether they knew where they were going or not) and that the (ironic) ending indicates our duo didn't expect it was an isalnd nation.

I think the fact the twin swords and the term "cursed sword(s)" share the same kanji for "sword" is a big hint and it's the only vessel of sin to go into the East. The song gives me the impression it happens post New Four Horsemen Incident and that they are now pursuing the vessel far into the east (though how they learned/knew of this is unclarified still). It also falls in line with what the Praefacio final chapter states that Yukina wrote about the two after Story of Evil.

The watchman has a good few lines and the skit is worth as much as a minor story with him as the main antagonist for our duo. I think we should put him with the unknown gackpo character in the DoE minor char list, since that seems to be the most relevant series for these characters at this point.

As an add-on, from what I could tell:


 * Like Daniel mentioned earlier, it's not mentioned how exactly they "paint/color" their hair black, but it is stated so for the skin; I feel this might be a foreshadowing/hint at the Lorre sisters' suspicious identities.


 * The mention of the King refusing to let anyone in makes me curious; we see a civil war in Snakeland in EC 549 over deciding the new ruler. Did something major happen and this song is hinting to a much deeper issue?


 * According to my source, there was a -451 (from 999?) somewhere in that lyric booklet, which apparently led to a calculation of this song taking place in 548; that's one year before Chartette's death and the Snakeland civil war so it seems to all tie together imo.


 * Despite GUMI being the singer, Gumillia did nothing in this entire song that stands out; this might've well been just Elluka vs Watchman with Gumillia narrating in a booth.

Lot of thoughts on the above mentioned songs, and we haven't even gone into the details. Does anyone have issue with us going with my source and assuming the song takes place in 548? I don't see anything out of place with that year, given the story content of the song.