Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-119.95.67.79-20140609102602/@comment-6192846-20140713020837

Atsuki-chan wrote: Great point. However, no Glassred or any descendent was mentioned at any point after the Conchita event. And if the line survived then the genes would be too degraded to have a girl look like Gumina. And once again, they need not be if it isn't relevant to the story. The most we get to see is an Earl Felix, who shares the last name as Dr. Felix of 100 years later (and we assume is related), and a King.

Elphegort, particularly it's noble families, have gotten very little touched upon them, outside the fact the EFEC novel recognizes the Glassred continued to exist 200 years after the Venomania Event. The Gift novel could very well have another Glassred cameo, especially since it's a sequel to the previous two Deadly Sins novels which do include Glassreds as characters.

As fort he blood being degraded, look at Gammon. Veno's been dead for 800 years and it seems the most the Octo bloodline's gone through is having black instead of purple hair. Nothing's stopping mothy from writing in another GUMI character if he so desired.

I had a similar debate on chat about if mothy wanted to write in Watching Us as a Freesis Fairy Tale and have a huge technology boom occur between Praefacio and the Gift novel. There's nothing stopping him from writing it in; the believabilty and likliehood though will vary.

Atsuki-chan wrote: It's true that just because Gumi is the representative of the Master of the Hellish Yard, doesn't mean that she's also the Wrath User. But in the Judgement of Corruption, Wrath was represented by a dark green, the same green as Gumi. Gumillia disappeared after the Pere Noël time, and it's not like MOTHY had ignored her during the songs. The color symbolism's significance is debateable. You're arguing it indicates who the character is, but I could make another argument that it's about who it's fated to be (which still doesn't tell us who).

I agree. I have the highest doubts mothy would make a character just disappear without giving a satisfying conclusion to her character arc. That said, it still doesn't mean the Master of the Hellish Yard and the character who commits the Deadly Sin of Wrath can't be separate characters.

That's like saying the MotC has to be Margarita because she was featured in the Gift song (and who knows, she might be another Banica).

Atsuki-chan wrote: We also have no idea how the Vessel vanished from the Held Monastery. My bet's been on Irina. DoF makes sure Yvette words it that it was when Abyss I.R. attacks that she checks and finds it gone and can't seem to find it (though we know it ended up in Clarith's cupboard/cabinet before then already). But yes, we don't have anything confirmed about how it got out of it's seal or miraculously disappeared.

Atsuki-chan wrote: I doubt that it'll be during the Civil War, though, because MotHellishY most likely had the Key beforehand, which earned her reputation of having every key. What makes you say "most likely"? Perhaps I'm missing something, but there's really nothing to say why she's regarded have every key. Sickle's also seen with a golden key (though seemingly not our vessel) so how its interactions with the "gods" and these new Masters seeming to replace them is yet to be elaborated on. Atsuki-chan wrote:

MA was pretty sure it was with her, so they must have some sort of history together for MA to fear that she had it. MOTHY also said that MA has been around or a long time, so it's not outside the realm of possibilities.It's possible they had a history. Or it's also possible they're all just aware the Master exists and suspect she has a motive to keep the key, especially if she's regarded to hold them all. Perhaps it was process of elimination. Can't find the key anywhere else so maybe Hellish has it.

Even then, Ma only says "possibly" and that she doesn't know it's whereabouts. It's hard to gauge what their history is, especially since the Demons (or at least the Demon of Lust) was where the Master of the Hellish Yard existed.

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The beautiful thing about this period is that we're getting three new songs in an album plus The Last Revolver which could potentially settle or narrow down all these options.

It'd be even better if the new album also elaborated on BSS.