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Nemesissa wrote: Question I have about everyone saying Gallerian is insane... That isn't up for debate. In-universe, he, "Margarita", Kayo, and Nemesis are all labeled "insane". Take that however you will, but his reaction to seeing the doll on a desk and hearing "Michelle" (Hansel) talk to him was used in coorelation to his obsession with material value to balance the scales of justice and collect the vessels.

Mistaking a copy of Eve for a daughter who looks like Eve is... weird. More desperate than anything IMO, but insane? The doll is sentient, and does think of Gallerian as her father and talks to him as such. And it can, well, TALK. Maybe only to demon contractors/vessels of sin, but it can speak. And either it can hypnotise others, or MA is forcing everyone in the Theature to give it the time of day (tiny, immobile dolls do not command respect).

The only time we can confirm the doll actually does talk (in a physical sense) is after the vessel has allegedly "awakened". All other times are debatable, as the Lunacy narration explicitly elluciates that Ma is not hearing any response to Gallerian's own half of the conversation he's apparently having.

The idea that Gallerian is communicating with "Michelle" is tangible but also ambiguous. Chief question among them would be why the doll would desire her "father" to collect her "friends". Whether it be the doll or the spoon or some combination of both, it's questionable what exactly is real and what is illusion for Gallerian.

Also, why does Nemesis have a Seth mask- maybe because she's the contractor for Wrath and Seth thought it'll be funny? He's obviously around by Nemesis's days, somehow, and probably decided to have her wear a look-alike to him. Who knows, maybe that's how he communicates with her- Seth is capable of creating vessels, maybe he made a temporary one for Nem? It would let him be in two places at once (MotHY mask and Nem's) and simply hop around as needed.

We don't have confirmation she has Seth's mask, just that the mask in Hellish Yard is given an unknown ("?") connection to her. The significance of that isn't elaborated upon in the actual SCP story.

The issue with what you're suggesting, which is very well possible, is that we have know apparent method for Seth or Nemesis to do this. Seth has no arms and legs, he's relying on Gumillia to move and they don't know if there's even an exit to the ground from the Hellish Yard. Unless we're given an explanation for that, Seth giving Nemesis a mask that could connect them both for his own amusement is unfounded.

24.61.194.71 wrote: Isn't it possible that the parallels between the scene with Nemesis and the scene with Master of the Hellish Yard are meant to be thematic more than literal? Sort of like the way each sinner has a run-in with Grimm the End (fatal or not). In-universe it's a strange coincidence, but outside it's intentional. Completely possible from my perspective. However, there is one caveat to that line of thinking. One of mothy's playlist lists JoC and Muzzle as "Leviantan Civil War" and "Leviantan Civil War (the truth)" respecticaly.

For comparison, DoE and SoE are labeled as "Lucifenian Revolution" and "Lucifenian Revolution (the truth)", where the "truth" is that the original perspective that the princess was executed was wrong and it was actually her servant twin brother.

Looking at it figuratively, Gallerian got shot, went to hell, got given the same deal (for whatever logic Gumillia followed), and refused it and went to hell. They paralleled each other closely.

Looking at it literally, Gallerian thinks he's at the gates of hell and being judged by the hell master with this deal (which he's had in a dream at least once before). He refuses and believes he's being sent to hell, only to be shot in the head.

In either scenario, he's presumably met the actual hell master and got sent to hell before the events of SCP. Both have logic problems with our current information.

The one idea that's been around since Muzzle cropped up was that Gallerian was talking to Hellish via Nemesis and our assassin only understood Gallerian's response from her perspective. Of course, that relies on Gallerian still being asked the exact same deal at the same time.

Additionally, this just occurred to me. Seth informs Gumilia that wearing him will allow her to read minds - assuming she is the Master of the Hellish Yard we see in the PV, could she be giving Gallerian one last chance via repeating Nemesis' deal? We don't know whether or not she's aware that contractors are barred from the Heavenly Yard. Her reading minds and therefore knowing Gallerian's situation would be possible.

PrincessAcedia wrote:

I believe Nemesis killed him and Master of the Hellish Yard just teased Gallerian by repeating what Nemesis said and giving him one final third chance at retribution. Or it was his delusion and he saw Nemesis as the girl from his dreams. Nemesis most likely just ended up wearing a mask that happened to look like the Master of the Hellish Yard and it's probably by mothy to show us how she's like the human MOTHellishY

Also are the images from the Nemesis page of MOTHY gonna be moved to Gumillia or are we gonna wait a while longer? In my personal opinion I think they should be moved and it would make more sense for them to be on Gumillia's page instead of Nemesis' The biggest issue is Gallerian's dreams happening before his encounter with either Nemesis and/or the Hell Master, which essentially mimicks the prior encounters of offering him a chance to escape via his material wealth from life.

If the dream's just a dream, then Gallerian's head really likes foreshadowing future encounters he otherwise wouldn't have known about. If it was real and Gumillia was giving him the offer through this dream, how, why, and why so many times? If this is just Gallerian happening to have an accurate idea of what Gumi-Hellish looks like and he deludely mistook Nemesis for her and figured it to be another dream, he's just a really unlucky and/or deluded man.