Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20150304021219/@comment-25926003-20150406192235

Oh let's just give up and say all the Lens are Hansel clones since that's where everything is probably headed (Allen derives from Hansel, Irregular and Punishment probably derive from Allen and Hansel, therefore they are all Hansel clones). .... That's not meant to be serious by the way.

Personally, I'm pretty sure the Len from Re_Birthday is Court!Irregular as I like to call him, and Court!Irregular is related to Allen - Court!Irregular being a separate entity from Allen doesn't automatically negate all connections, it just shows that there's much more to it than we thought. Just like how there's a hellish yard of a lot more to whatever's going on with Guumilia, Nemesis, and however many MOTHellishYs there are. I also find absolutely no reason to assume Re_Birthday is a dead end in canon like Waiting For A Response either - the very fact that it is included as one of the tracks on the preorder bonus CD for SC&P in spite of SC&P upending the tea table of what we knew shows that it's still relevant. We just don't have the full story yet - like how the theory that MA is Elluka and Irina fused together is probably right on the money, but there was also a lot of context and details that we knew nothing about that went with it. (A lot of our initial guesses have proven correct actually, we just didn't know all the details prior.)

If you guys want to play it safe, just go ahead and give Court!Irregular and Re_Birthday!Len separate pages for now and then re-merge them once we get more information. There's no reason to argue over whether or not Court!Irregular and Allen are related when there's been nothing to actually joss the idea besides "There's more to this situation than we thought". My main complaints are more with the arguments being used - such as, yeah MA is an unreliable narrator, but as far as I know of she only lies about Elluka, and she has reason to lie about Elluka. Everything else seems to hold up because she has no real reason to lie about stuff that isn't Elluka, and narrators are only unreliable if A. they're hiding something or B. they're hallucinating. MA probably isn't the latter, and for the former, well, why would she need to lie about Allen and Irregular?

And... "that doesn't mean they're connected".... You... DO realize what we're talking about here right? Of course it's connected. Everything in Evillious is connected. And the connection between Re_Birthday and Regret Message is solid - Re_Birthday was meant to be a response to Regret Message, and the two are practically always paired up these days. We just don't know the context and details yet.

I hope I've made my thoughts clear here.