Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20150304021219/@comment-6192846-20150318205028

ForTheLoveOfHellish wrote: Sorry, I just feel the need to point this out.

Elluka and Lukana swapped bodies, however would that class Elluka as an Octo? If Ma is to be applied as a Sudou then wouldn't all body swaps need to be treated as an "initiation" of sorts, into a family?

Nemesis on the other hand seems to be a Sudou through-and-through. I'm in favour of her being treated as such.

That's what I wanted Ninja to address to begin with. There's no point arguing whether or not Ma is a Sudou on the inside. We've got confirmation she's not the original Kayo and there's no viable argument to even consider a foreign Levin missionary in Lukana Octo's body being anyone else within the family.

Ma's in a weird position because of the body and name she's using. Unlike Elluka, "Kayo Sudou" actually takes on that identity of her physical body and continues the family name using it, producing Nemesis.

The only time Elluka goes under Lukana's identity is when she omits explaining this to Gumillia, who (understandbly) mistook the mage's identity for her harem friend. I can't think of a time Irina does this.

From my perspective, you can either consider Ma a unique case where she is actively continuing the original Sudou family unit, albet via a stolen body, or ignore her as being just a slightly different case than what's happened with Irina or Elluka and shouldn't be included in the family line.

I suppose you can bring up adoptions in this, as several times characters who aren't originally from the family (by blood) are taken in by an actual physical member of the family line. I can see someone arguing it's the same situation with Ma except in reverse, where she's a Sudou by proxy of keeping the family and name alive for herself through Nemesis. I think it's reliant on personal preference though.