Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20150805165545/@comment-4698889-20190118220343

Misstress of the heavenly yard wrote: Ah ok. Well still she used the name sudou while having a Sudou's body. I still hesitate to count Carlos as part of the Crim family, however I could make a page just as a test to see.

Carlos literally used the identity "Joseph Crim". This is the same as Ma using the identity "Kayo Sudou". Therefore Carlos counts as a Crim.