Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20140612134000/@comment-14867007-20140916210243

If this argument here is that we're going to start treating JoC as noncanon that's not true. I don't believe we've ever treated DoE as noncanon either just because it wasn't true. Take the Reign of Evil page for example, the public believed Riliane was the one killed at the guliotine and that was the information pretty much put as much. JoC will be treated in the same manner, infomation will go to its respective pages.

I don't think you're right, Bany, about that supposed flaw in SoE. What a remember was Allen saying he will kill Michaela awhile after he heard Riliane's order, he never claimed he did kill Michaela. He went with her resolve. When Wooden Girl came out with the line "golden-haired assassin' everyone simply believed it be Allen because it was only logical at that point. No one suspected it'd be a new character introduced in the novels also with golden hair.

There was no flaw I can remember if that was your only point. Although everything was from Allen's own perspective, it was the truth. Mothy is trying to show us once again that despite things being in Nemesis' perspective that was the truth of what happened. I agree with what you're saying about JoC not being 100% wrong, DoE was never 100% wrong. It's just that what I believe is when parts contradicting each other from Muzzle and JoC pop up we just take Nemesis' perspective of things because her song was labeled as the truth to the story. It makes her a more reliable source than Gallerian by far already. We'll be doing just as we do with DoE and SoE.

I don't know for sure what you're counting as "noncanon" in that variable example, but if it's the Nemesis poem then take it out and we still have Muzzle, the Last Revolver and Hellish supporting the claim that Nemesis is Master of the Hellish Yard. Only thing that's been causing a bridge is JoC itself, but then again its perspective of the Leviantan War was not labeled as the truth to the situation.

There's no where stating that Nemesis is not Master of the Hellish if anyone still wants to bring up the "Well mothy never said Nemesis is Master of the Hellish Yard". Not merging is still not playing it safe as most people seem to believe because if in fact someone new does come along to the wiki and does not check the discussion thread they are going to believe that Nemesis is not Hellish and if something changes in the future what is going to stop them from checking back again hypothetically?

We have to go by context and let the information around us take us to the most logical conclusion. I, for one, believe it to be merging these pages. There's so much more concrete evidence showing us that yes Nemesis is indeed Master of the Hellish Yard where as there's only JoC supporting Nemesis is not Master of Hellish which is proven to not be as concrete of evidence since it's not 100/100 of the truth of the true story.