Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6986530-20170803220318/@comment-6986530-20170912211249

Hey all, I wanted to bring up a minor issue with you in the spirit of cleaning up articles.

Specifically, I'd like to propose we delete the Mind and Body pages on the grounds that the two articles are wholly unnecessary, overcomplicate information, and even mislead users.

I think a lot of my reasons for thinking this are self-evident, but I want to wholly explain my position because I believe deleting a page (the same as making a page) shouldn't be taken lightly. So yeah basically I'm sorry this got so long

The Body Article
Unnecessary: All of the information on the body page is information that people know before going into the Evillious Chronicles. Human bodies age, human bodies die when mortally wounded, organic bodies can reproduce, etc. Similarly, it's self-evident that a body serves as a vessel for a soul, and that's already a huge acknowledgement on the soul page.

Any information that doesn't fall under "you learn this in health class," like the reincarnation spell, is covered in more depth on their respective pages and is not in and of itself a justification for making the page. And we also already have a "human" page as well, so you'd think if there's anything specific about human bodies in EC that's different from real life (there isn't) it'd be covered there.

Furthermore, seeing a link shoehorned on the word "body" gives off the impression that bodies in EC are somehow different from bodies in real life, which leads us to this:

Misleading: Keeping this page on here misleads people into overthinking this basic concept of a body as though EC does something different with it, which so far no it doesn't (just with souls.) The page also makes unfounded assumptions, such as that vessels of sin can be lumped in the same category as human bodies, acting as if anything can be an inorganic vessel, and saying things like how the body specifically is responsible for being able to use magic (really a wordier way to say "people in bodies can do magic" which is also self-evident and at the same time misleading when it comes to the vessels.)

In short: The basic concept of a body does not in any way need to be explained; the things that Evillious does with it, like reincarnation, immortality, and the like, are the only things it's our job to explain. Therefore this body page and its unnecessary assumptions should be deleted. Frankly, the page was only added to bolster our page count.

The Mind Article
Unnecessary: Again, a lot of the info in the article is stuff we already know and understand going into the series (unless you're five idk.) People can go insane, the mind stores memories, people have a consciousness and subconsciousness. We don't have an obligation to list these things unless they differ from the real world in some way or lead up to something that differs in some way. And again, the other parts of that page, about things which act upon the mind (like the Court,) are better handled on their respective pages and not enough to justify this getting its own page.

Misleading: Having a mind page as well as a soul page implicates to people that somehow mind and soul are not the same thing. It's not even doing this in the sense of soul vs. brain, it's treating the mind as if it is a part of the soul that is also somehow separate from the soul and is not part of the body. I don't think that it's reasonable to separate the two when nothing in the series really does. In fact, the revelation that souls are technically made of data kind of implies that souls and their "minds" are indistinguishable anyway.

In short: the page is someone's own theory on how the Court works based on poorly translated and now outdated info and, even all that aside, does not aid to people's understanding of the series and its mechanics. It was also only added to bolster our page count.

In short (for both): These pages don't contribute anything but confusion and unnecessary analysis to the wiki, their affiliated links are clearly forced and contrived, and their information is or can be more simply handled on the soul page (which needs to be reworked anyway due to Muzzle.)

I understand if not a lot of people actually care about this issue in comparison to the other things we're doing right now. I'm going to give this topic about a week (possibly two.) If my proposal gets six votes (not including mine) then I'm going to go forward with deleting the pages right away (and if no one's willing to remove all the links that are going to be broken from this I'll do that too.) If I don't get enough votes in a week, I'll still consider that a sign no one objects strongly enough and I'll still go forward.

If someone objects to this idea, please say something now and we'll open discussion on it, but keep in mind that if I or someone else debates your objection and you don't object their objection of your objection (aka if you don't defend your position) I'll consider that the end of it. And of course, if a majority of people object to the proposal, then the pages stay. objection