Talk:Grim the End/@comment-26209808-20151120214118/@comment-146.113.74.251-20151121002123

Isn't there still a lot of time between the events of the duel and Nemesis' contract? Who says that Adam and/or Seth couldn't have come back to the vessel in that amount of time? Or that some other person could have filled in the demon slot?

There is no evidence whatsoever that a vessel is capable of possessing someone. We don't even know what exactly happened to have Waiter incarnate from the mirrors, but she appears to have merely taken on a physical form rather than gaining the abilities that the Pride demon had by inhabiting it. It seems to be that, as is the case with Adam, being in the vessel can impart some of those powers, but that doesn't mean the vessel itself is able to act under its own abilities.

The vessel doesn't have a will. The events of the theater have not been adequately explained, so they can't be used as examples of how the rules work for everything prior.

And just because there's no evidence she communed with a demon doesn't mean she didn't. Venomania's song is the only one in the entire series that explicitly mentioned contract with a demon. Yet all the others are a given that they made contracts.

How would Allen know a demon was inside of it? Why him of all people? He hasn't been shown to have any demon detecting powers and if you're referring to him cutting off Kayo's head, due to the nature of reincarnating he wouldn't remember anything about the demons anyway.

Simply put, with the lack of information available there's no reason to think things didn't work out the way they're implied to have rather than assuming the vessel has abilities it's never shown. We know that people who aren't god-kin can become demons (Banica, for example), so just because there isn't anyone in the key hundreds of years before Nemesis doesn't mean that there won't be when she shows up. It might even be covered in the Envy novel.