Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20140612134000/@comment-6192846-20140617144027

108.219.152.96 wrote: Thanks for helping to clear that up. I now know that Ney was the Gretel instead of Rilliane, but who was the Hansel that replaced Allen? Or was he only not Hansel because the reincarnations have to be siblings? Sloth's got the right idea. There was no Hansel born along with Ney, as far as we know. Prim and Abyss I.R.'s disturbance of fate put their reincarnation cycle out of whack, according to the Demon of Gluttony (though this is just her conclusion based on what happened).

108.219.152.96 wrote: However, obviously that isn't true due to Lemy (but isn't there "another yellow" mentioned in the video?). So who was the Hansel of that period? And that also brings up the thing with the Pere Noel line-up, what with Lemy being called the male yellow. Lemy was born alone because the DoG already had Gretel. According to Gammon in Evils Court though, Lemy wasn't born with a Gretel this time around (which is why I personally don't believe the implied "female yellow" fourth member is a Rin char).

108.219.152.96 wrote: Something else I'm kind of confused about (which does not entirely pertain to the albums, I think). It may have to do with the fact that outdated information is still lingering around, but what is with Irina and Elluka? Has it been confirmed that they were not originally that girl from the song about HER? Currently, nothing's been confirmed about them other than what you see in the articles. Elluka's a former priestess who met with Held and became Kiril's lover/apprentice, and Irina's Kiril's little sister who was jealous of his lover.

So far, the info about them being from this girl in Blood-Stained Switch is being nixed as a shaky theory by a fan on NND using "mothy" as a username, which was assumed by one of our users. Nothing denies the possibility of this being the case, but so far no source has corraborated it.

108.219.152.96 wrote: One more offtopic thing: Due to Kiril's case, doesn't that mean HER manifests as something like schizophrenia, or at least the stereotypical portayal of schizophrenia, with voices being heard convincing the afflicted to do something? Also, did Kiril know that putting Elluka's body in Sin would cause the explosion? I'm assuming that's what the "evil" part of HER was. If he didn't, than could that mean that HER is somehow more than just a mental illness? HER Syndrome has been, since its introduction in Blood-Stained Switch, a condition that a person is born with the sole desire to spread malice across the world. BSS points out Dissassociative Identity Disorder as a possible symptom, so I think anything resembling schizophrenia is believable too.

According to OSS Act 2 and the Lunacy novel, Kiril was resisting his fate as a HER while Irina gave into her darker nature (though it's debateable if Kiril even knew she was a HER, and Irina herself doesn't seem to suffer from voices/multiple personalities).

After Elluka's death, it seems Kiril was unknowingly giving into his fate; that said, there's a lot more to discuss regarding that so I point you toward our Act 1 and Act 2 threads.