Board Thread:Theories Discussion/@comment-4698889-20180824070147/@comment-5.81.243.129-20180824180510

GreekTelepath wrote: "I think this theory has a bunch of nebulous and vague connections.

How are gears equivalent to words? How does one "come into contact" with a song? Are you talking about people who listen to it? Who sing it? Which variation of the lullaby are you referring to? Are you claiming this person is a song, or a sentient music box? (you seem to conflate the two). And also, you don't...really need to experiment on and change an existing music box to make it play. They play just fine once they've been made.

If you're trying to argue that the Clockwork Lullaby is a sentient entity, this is entirely unsupported by anything in the actual books. It's a spell song. It has 12 different varieties that have different uses. And you're disregarding stuff in the actual song that disproves the notion that it's an abstract entity and not a real person, such as mentioning having ''physically thrown a doll from a window. ''Not to mention the whole part in Wordplay where they reference having been abandoned (how does one abandon a song, exactly?)

With the "I of the miniature garden" line in particular, most people take that as evidence that it's either referring to Irina (who has clear references to Full Moon Laboratory in her history) or Ma (who "wasn't anyone", because she didn't have a soul or story of her own).

I'm not against saying the song is intentionally vague and could be applied to any number of Evillious characters and scenarios, but to say it's from the perspective of a sentient piece of music seems a bit of a stretch to me." The title should be Clockwork Lullaby Rin = LuLiLa?

1:  The comment is questioning Rin to be the Clockwork Lullaby / LuLiLa we hear. The song Clockwork Lullaby itself, initially talks like it was a music box (ie: behaves as such). Yes it is an abstract one.

2: Take a music box. In order to make one: you must give it gears in order to turn it into a song. (This is what they are theorising with Playing with Words as an example of how you make one, in this both PwW and the new version have 12) Certain music boxes also include the main lyric notes. The two questions in Playing with Words are example questions; unless there's evidence of it occurring; that is mere speculation. Same goes for "the toy thrown out the window", if the song is built into a music box, it can still be thrown away (So many boxes in the world...)

3: I'm pretty such there is already input about coming into contract with it lying around on the site. It's reciting is more than enough since its also a magic. Spoken, heard, used; its already there.

4: Variation relates down to how it is manipulated. Even in the page relating to song magic points this out (rearranging being the other word used for this, AND changes effects of the magic). Even Irina in Song I Heard Somewhere mentions it would change.

5: "Wasn't Anyone" could be MA but how does MA tie in it exactly? Whilst it is still evident enough for something that is not human, followed by "This singing voice is the Clockwork Lullaby". As far MA goes, they are disregarding she wasn't in existance until after the Marrigod Plataeu incident, so why would she be to something that has been around LONGER THAN HER? (Sorry but CL5, 8 and 9 breaks that one for me). Irina's can be based on her aspect of being a Ghoul Child, there's not much else to add to that on, plus Kiril being a clockworker and making music boxes.

Finally: it does not always require a perspective, however there's been nothing to it. It could just be Mothy throwing out the new verse because it hasn't smacked anyone in the face for all we know. You can easily take a step back away from EC itself and the theory can still stand as normal. Anyway, I wish I could more down but I'm constantly being interrupted that I can no longer think.