Thread:Servant of Evillious/@comment-4033845-20131217113546/@comment-6192846-20131218225306

''I also have thought of the vertical area that a full body picture could take up. That's why there's such thing as scaling  via code or via editing programs. ''

And the same can be said for what we currently use too. As your picture of Riliane shows, unless you make the full body of Riliane three times smaller the 2x3 avatar design takes up less space. If you do that though, you make the full design so small its inconsequential. But that's a non-issue since what's important is what we get for the space being taken up.

"The author giving out full body concept art to characters proves that the character has large significance to the storyline."

Gast has the same amount of importance in the light novels as Ein or Rajih in their stories. The only thing setting them apart from any other generic character who help advance the plot is Gast has Gackpo's face. It's a choice for advertising to the demographic.

''"I think it's a great idea if we give these characters the spotlight by being the chosen few to have the proposal utilized." ''

So, due to the above reasoning, we should employ picture elitism to articles because you think its a great idea? Now that sounds like an excuse to push your proposal, rather than arguing what it adds to the articles besides inconsistency imo.

"For the gallery point, I must say that not everyone has time to scroll down to the bottom of a page and click on thumbnails to look at pictures."

Then use the contents box if taking two seconds to scroll to the bottom is an issue. That's what it is there for: quick and easy navigation to specific sections. :P

"Moreover, having a full body pic makes new fans have a good clutch of what the character looks like before moving on to his/her storyline; instead of seeing a headshot up to the shoulders."

This should have been your initial point and its a valid one. As stated, this works on other wikis but it is also more appropriate for those wikis. One the other hand, countless wikis also show how just a head shot works fine too. The dividing line is that we can shots of characters from the shoulders up just fine; we can't do that for full body designs on everyone or almost everyone at the moment.

''"Moreover, having a full body pic makes new fans have a good clutch of what the character looks like before moving on to his/her storyline; instead of seeing a headshot up to the shoulders." ''

As other wikis that don't have galleries have demonstrated, the only absolutely essential thing to portray is the face. As a wiki with a gallery, you can get a wide selection of "closer looks" and rather quickly with either a scroll down or click in the contents box.

"Remember: A new user would come in this wiki for information, not pictures."

So they come here for information yet you are arguing why its more important they see the bigger picture?

''"Having a quick look at the profile picture and key info would be enough for him to move on and continue with his life believing that Riliane had a black dress and black neckwear." ''

And by looking at Evils Kingdom, I get that impression on top of believing Gumina has dark green hair and her hair tied on the left side. And The Daughter of Evil makes me go away seeing Riliane wearing a grey dress. The horror~! :P

The medium this ip has taken inevitably falls into issues of different art styles, portrayals, designs, sometimes even with the same artist. As stated above, the essentials is the face. If the clothes is that much of an issue, I've been keeping a Cloture cover avatar on my harddrive just for that.

So are we talking about why Riliane's image should be changed or why your design is the better and more needed feature?

"The difference in Servy's and my screenshot also proves the proposal's efficiency ... the difference wouldn't be that obvious among different screens since there will be no apparent background that gives away the sudden change."

Now this is a good point, for the most part, except I said manageability and was directing that at the process of making these. As our policy currently stands, neither you or I need to click Riliane's image to get an idea what she looks like. It is not like one of our images is terribly distorted or skewed. So no, that doesn't prove anything except that an inconsequential technical error exists.

We can also edit our current images so there's no background and these specific technical errors won't be as noticeable too, if they're so "gamebreaking". Which just brings us back to the above about what is essential to be seen.

When going to the akuno websites (the sites made to give us the key information to sample before we choose to buy their products), what do they use to advertise? Out of all these official designs illustrated, maybe 6-8 characters are shown, and its all just the head and sometimes the shoulders. Seems they too felt we only needed a head shot for key information.

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In short, there's no particular need for a full body shot. All the necessary visual information is provided in the current policy; that's fine, since this is honestly not the biggest deal in the world. We're dealing with aesthetics. If we're going to debate about nitpicks, fine by me.

The lack of consistency and uncertainty your proposal brings is an issue and throwing it away as an "excuse" ignores that your above post is also throwing out poor excuses.

Not everyone has a full body. Playing "exclusives" to the "more important characters" is already done to those who have pages vs those who get put on a list. So now we are going to tier this to the even more important characters getting unique infobox images on their pages? Sounds like pretty poor reasoning to just make character pages inconsistent imo.

The arguments for one or the other are both equally valid. To reiterate where I stand: I think your proposal is a good idea. I don't think it's appropriate for this wiki at this time.