Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20150805165545/@comment-9410476-20190118111824

Well Ma does have the body of a Sudou, (I wonder if that means Ma and Elluka Clockworker should be counted part of the Octo family since they inhabited Lukana's body)

But I do find it an interesting the Crims got involved twice. I wonder why it was even necessary to change Carlos' face if they were related in the first place.