Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20140806122913/@comment-6192846-20140829194502

Octofan wrote: So the way I see it the Eve-is-these-characters-bit is pretty straightforward, the only thing I’m confused about in that regard is the mechanics of her hypnosis and Gift (but a clearer translation might make it easier.) I'm still trying to figure out how this Doll is moving around and handling things. Does it just float and the hypnosis makes no one notice? Why does Margarita only suffer "Sleepless" and not "Can't Eat, Move, or Sleep-ness".

Octofan wrote: Personally, I am in favor of treating Eve like Irina and merging Margarita and Platonic’s pages into hers directly, with a rewrite of her Personality and Skills and all links to their pages redirecting to Eve’s. (Perhaps a minor character section for Margarita Felix, the baby.) All of Mikulia’s history past her death will also need to be migrated to Eve’s section. Now that we've seemingly found the confirmation that Eve's apparently lost her memory with each "transmigration", I'm going to have to disagree. Since this is our first time having one character believe themselves to be multiple identies (pre-existing or not), it adds another element to this.

The Margarita we're familiar with is still her own character, and Eve even admits that that Margarita believed she was human right til the end. She has her own thoughts, personality, actions. Eve was "sleeping" while Margarita lived her life. The same with Platonic, only there was potentially never a real life counterpart to begin with.

In that case, I think these two should be left as their own individual articles and have their Early Life/Legacy sections edited with references to Eve. Eve's article would be a mess if we have to describe her as four different people in personality and abilities.

Eve's history can summarize Margarita and Platonic's actions in their respective stories and have a "Main article" tag at the top but otherwise stay focused on her as herself. The only one I'd find tricky in this scenario would be Mikulia, though we could just migrate FotP information to Eve's article and edit Mikulia's legacy to distinguish them.

I agree that "Margarita Felix" needs to have a section; Let's hope more info on this alleged "revival" by a mage gets found earlier on in the light novel.

Octofan wrote: Master of the Court we should leave alone < < Agreed. We still can't assume anything with how the light novel ends. I'll check the final scene though to confirm if Elluka brings the doll back with her to the forest. We should also double check our translations for the Gift PV.

Octofan wrote: All the stuff about the twins making the demons with household items, that’s pretty interesting. It seems that the original vessels were not as metaphorical as we believed…and it makes sense now why Sloth is the only vessel that was made from something intangible (wind) in Chrono Story, and was represented by just the image of the doll rather than some wind outlines. The “why” of the twins doing this still eludes me, of course. Did they simply divide up Eve’s tainted magic and play around with it for the Evulz? Were the demons a safer alternative to her corrupted magic as a whole entity? So for tally, we got a seed, a few gems, a flower, an hour glass, a forest, a spring, and wind? Idk, a lot of that doesn't sound like stuff you'd find around a house. It's still stated they made seven vessels, just that one was actually Eve instead of a demon.

Either way, the fact the twins did make some vessels for them initially (before they moved onto others/people) should be noted.

We probably won't know why the twins did what they did. It isn't being explained here, just like it isn't explained why they have weird shadow powers (yet).

Octofan wrote:

And as for Elluka’s survival, although that was assured via the Merrigod Duel not happening yet, I do wonder if Eve’s soul did a number on hers or not. It could just be another tease from mothy of Elluka turning evil when she really doesn’t (Story of Evil) or maybe Eve’s fragments turn her slowly insane or maybe we should just wait until Five the Pierrot clears this up and assume she won the battle anyway. The battle ends with a pink, not green, light enveloping everything. Take that for what you will. Michaela's concern that Elluka is actually Elluka should also be looked into. That scene might give more closure to this ambiguous act by our lonely mage.

Octofan wrote:

< < That other stuff with the descendants and the woah Bruno Marlon and Shaw is frickin’ over a hundred years old by the time he passes away I am pretty happy over that. We now know that Yukina had descendants and Kyle had descendants, but we still don’t know if they had descendants with each other pfff. Maybe that’s actually cleared up in this novel though, who knows. Bruno Marlon, eh? I wonder if Yukina named Kyle's kid after their favorite Butler. ;p I'll look into it more. It's not mentioned which sister Shaw's grandkid hails from so it's still possible Yukina had no descendants. Let's not forget Aile!

Octofan wrote:

Also Lemy the Ripper is closer to Jack then we thought 8C although I think he’s going to surpass the accepted body count. Maybe Julia is specifically trying to target a prostitute whose identity she doesn’t know, because I can’t see any reason for her to fixate on those “bad children” specifically. And it seems that everyone’s assumptions about the Foundation in the old days of Gumillia-was-in-Last-Revolver were at least partially correct.

We don't know what the purpose of Julia's acts have been. We still don't know why she's done all this with Margarita. Though it seems "Millionaire" should be its other translation of "really rich person" as she seems to be a wealthy mayor.