Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20140918010005/@comment-6192846-20150116133544

Adept-eX wrote: Octofan wrote: How do you know Held could have summoned them? What makes you think the situation was the same then as it is now? I mean it seems to me, based on Chrono Story, they got scattered right after being created--and who knows if Held even knew what happened until later. I'm not seeing the plot hole.

That's kind of the implication I got, yes, but not sure how reasonable it is to put anywhere. Well, Held already stated his regret for not interfere with the Sins issue before they went beyond his reach... I don't see how that affects Octo's point. Rechecking the dialogue, he definitely regrets the fact the vessels of sin were born in the forest and that he didn't take responsibility for them before they got out.

DoE manga changes up the dialogue a bit for clarity, but it's essentially the same thing (with complementary illustration of Eve stealing the twins as the implied negligence on his part).

Held clearly can't do anything negative to anyone as a tree. Presumably, he could do the same things as Michaela has done but chose to avoid meddling with humans much. Once they left the forest, he couldn't do anything.

All of this is assuming the same rules exist for the Third Period before and after beginning to merge with Hellish Yard.

It's already been demonstrated that "memory" has constructed an illusion of the forest when Allen arrives, so it looks alive and fresh when it's actually a wasteland. It's proof of the Third Period merging with Hellish Yard. Allen is also unable to fly anymore now that he's on the ground.

I don't think the same rules apply anymore.