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KarcheesCrimm wrote: I think we can theorize about this happening in the ending of the Conchita era and the beggining of the SoE era in TTDS universe: You say this, but the story includes plenty of Pierrot-Era references too, and you also listed at least one Lust-era reference with Vivian. I do agree that the story seems to focus the most on Conchita and Daughter of Evil parallels for right now, though, but it also seems like in terms of period setting it's leaning more towards Pierrot era or at least the end of DoE era.

Whats left to discuss (theorize) is what changed in this universe: Let me say first of all that I do not believe that TTDS is at all a "what if" AU of Evillious, and I don't think anything so far is suggesting that it is. I think that TTDS is just what the O & L novel suggested it is--a world that was retroactively changed from Sickle's meddling via distortions. I believe that it is now completely different from EC to the very core, as even the mechanics of magic are suggested to be different here. O and L is basically just mothy telling fans why there's similar terms in TTDS to EC when there's none of EC's context behind them.

For that reason Hansel and Gretel never made the rebirth-day (in O&L it's suggested that Seth was the one who influence them to do it) I can't find where in the infomine this is suggested, are you sure that this is the case?

Beritoad would be another rebel spirit of Held that left the forest before Lich and founded Pere Noel using Pale Noel's Tomb as his hideout and so inspiring in teh organization name.

As a spirit he may have the power of alchemy (maybe a chemist in his earthling life XD), in one of Price last infomine it says that Beritoad isn't a real god but a wraith (demon or spirit).

Just because the word for wraith can also be translated as "spirit" doesn't mean that Beritoad is specifically a forest spirit. He's most definitively a wraith, which is a species so far unique to the TTDS series (and a species that is way more widespread and capable of interacting with the human world than the forest spirits in EC are, to the point that you can have children with wraiths, which is obviously impossible to do with forest spirits.) Despite the terminology they don't even seem like spirits, apparently, they're solid and have mostly humanoid forms.

A point of confusion for people on this point might be the fact that Beritoad is in an animal form right now? But the book and bonus story makes it clear that this is not Beritoad's original form and that he is accepting basically blood sacrifices to regain power and restore his original form. These are all things that make him very unlike forest spirits in EC. So it's also not guaranteed that he had an "earthling" past life, tho we haven't gotten to the inevitable crazy revelations about the TTDS setting yet.

The novel would take place in a Marlon island where Lioness won the war, Hank (Somy) taking the TTDS version of Castle Hedgehog (Torcia Tower) as his residence.

I could see that, maybe not specifically Lioness taking over but the Lioness equivalent? Maybe the continents are to some extent the same, and TTDS is certainly going for a British feel.

For some reason, some years past the war Hank would have made contact with Beritoad (like Arth with Lich, maybe Hank died on war or something) and so they enacted the battle of the Horaga Cave as part of Hank trade with the wraith for eternal life (?). That's interesting. I like that idea because it could mean mothy had this plot thread about Arth and Lich's relationship long before he brought it into play in EC. I don't know about the battle at Horaga Cave being specifically part of the contract, though.

The Crossrosier to try and imitate the real mages of the MK Levianta that went extinct after the catastrophe, in TTDS Vivian takes the role of Elluka as a sorceress (timeline). While I do believe Vivian is supposed to be a parallel to Elluka, she's more of a joke character that gets killed off to demonstrate how radically different the story is from EC than anything, not an actual sorceress.

The girls would be born through Beritoad's magic and that explains the birth of Rack (an irregular I suppose) without a male counterpart. This happened with Abyss-IR and Ney, this role will be filled by Amostia when he travels to this TTDS universe. I don't know about Rack, but Gibbet explicitly has a mysterious past that Beritoad is trying to keep from her. If he's not behind Gibbet's creation, it's unlikely he is for the other girls as well. Though if it turns out that Rack is an irregular, from him or some other creator, and that actually comes up, that would again prove that mothy had some of the ideas he put late into EC already in mind long before (though since a lot of the irregulars stuff in Heavenly came off as kind of a gentle retcon, I have my doubts.)

Also, Abyss IR is not an irregular, Seth just tried to turn Irina into one (allegedly) but failed.

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