Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20130812010713/@comment-6192846-20140518130728

Octofan wrote: Snip I think I'd prefer Welvure but I am fine with Welvya. The only thing that changes with what Lemmings brings up is that both the German Welver and Wiegenlied pronounce the W as V when put in Japanese romaji. That's something to keep in mind for the future.

With Milky being Pale's "wife"; that was from the Chinese translation. The term from our Japanese source is "lover/mistress".

Yes, I think it's safe to assume the one spreading malice with Kiril's same appearance (I dropped the "general" from my translation) is Pale, the so-called "Master of Malice".

I don't think he's necessarily implying Pale/Seth are ghoul children. I've brought this up in the past, but if gc's are artificial humans, then it's possible they're clones or some type of biological android. Kiril may have DNA from/been modeled after Seth or Pale.

The issue is that all of Kiril's inner monologue right now is lacking a lot of context. We know there was an unusually large birthing of HERs in Levianta during this period but that's about it. This might be partially due to my translation though so I'll keep reanalyzing and consulting who I can to try to keep the meaning on point.

We can pretty much confirm from Catastrophe that Kiril has something to do with HER. Whether he himself developed the syndrome and didn't realize it or he simply thought he'd be fine, I can't say. However, he somehow learned Irina was a HER and she was definitely the last one he expected to be one.

Yes, you'r right. I didn't even notice that. There is that "Lu Li La" in Catastrophe right before Elluka is supposed to awaken. Nice catch! So once again, we have the Clockwork Lullaby popping up with no apparent singer. Curious.

Adept-eX wrote: So, it seems Irina and Kiril were HERs but managed to keep it in check until the traumatic event of Irina's betrayal triggered the syndrome for both

I think Seth was aware of his condition but managed to keep the appearences while working in his own agenda. Let's see, support a HER for be the Queen, attempt to similulate the syndrome, create the Vessels of Sin... now I can see why the booklets mentions irregular experiments around EC 13 A lot of details we don't know about HER. Maybe it was just dormant and needed a trigger? I.R. indicated in the Lunacy novel that her HER was why she killed Elluka, and why she regretted it immediately afterward (though it seems that regret faded once she became the Ma candidate).

I've said this on chat, but I think it's safe to assume Seth's the big bad for at least the beginning of the story, unless he's going to pop up again later (I can just imagine him sitting in Irina's subconcious for hundreds of years: "Have you accomplished the grand plan yet?" "No! Now shut up, I'm burning something!").

I don't even think Project Ma succeeding was even his goal. He was miracuously fine after the disaster had occurred, knew how to put Irina in a stuffed cat (make her immortal on top of that), has been experimenting on creating vessels of sin.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was somehow connected to Adam using Venom to purposefully spurn even into creating the Original Sin. Maybe H&G being born was all he needed out of the project and purposefully let her escape. Hard to say at this point, but maybe a potential Act 3 album can answer all that.