Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6192846-20140612134000/@comment-6986530-20140826030450

I'm going to bring up my previous argument for this which I don't think anyone has properly addressed outside a handwave.

"In his meeting with Nemesis he's shown comforting his "daughter," and it's implied that is his perception of the moment, it being somewhere around the time he hugged Michelle in JoC. If Muzzle of Nemesis was his meeting with Hellish, why wasn't his "daughter" in Hell with him in that moment of the song in JoC? His comforting her in Muzzle of Nemesis is after Nemesis made the offer to him. "

So it could go either way for me.